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Old 04-20-2011, 04:34 PM
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The important lesson is everything out there has a potential to have problems. Safety should be on everyone's top of the list. Imperfections in steel could be downright impossible to detect without x-raying it. So never overload a ml, and check with the maker prior to modifying anything relating to the firing of the firearm.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:28 PM
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bruce i know you will lick that up like a cupcake sitting in the sun, but randy wakeman calls your traditions brand junk as well and claims they will explode at any given time.

If you actually take the time to read all the boring lawyer stuff, you'll find that a lot of these guns on that website ARE recall guns that did in fact have problems, many guns on there as well used smokeless powder.

I can show you pictures of exploded savages, TC's but then that'd just REALLY get you guys goin, so i wont.
FG you just don't get it do you? Read what I posted again and if you still dont get it then you need to read it again.

I wrote:
FrontierGander, what is wrong with you? It doesn't matter WHO owns the website that shines the light on the situation.
We should ALL be thanking the CVA GUNCASES website for making us aware of the situation rather than allowing cva to just write it off an isolated incident.

CVA has a past history of marketing thousands of dangerous and unsafe muzzleloaders some of which are still floating around today somewhere.
For anyone to say it's just a scare tactic is absurd, when a CVA muzzlelolader (OR any other brand) causes bodily harm to a person,
that's not a scare tactic that's an indication to WARN others who may own the same weapons. period!
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:45 PM
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its scare tactics and obviously, you are a sheep foolish enough to fall for it. Read the court cases.

They have recalled guns where Sams Club was aware of the recell yet did nothing to pull the recall guns off the shelf.

Even rookies new to the sport picked up on this quicker that it was a scam to run people off of cva-traditions and right into the pocket book of savage.

Add this up, Wakeman, CVA Recall guns, savage owners son being injured by a recall cva...... wakeman- savage - endorsing savage .....

Enough said.

Go on to a forum thats up to date and with todays muzzle loading industry, ask about that website and you'll see them tell u its a bunch of BS.
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:28 AM
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Hang on FG. Are you saying CVA recalled guns that didn't have any problem?

Are they that stupid?
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Old 04-22-2011, 11:45 AM
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they recalled guns that had issues with the breech plugs popping out. This was in 1995. BPI "Current owner of CVA" still has the recall issue out and is taking care of those who may have been injured by the recall rifle.

Gary,



Thanks for taking the time to write. The Kodiak Pro rifles have a Bergara Barrel that is manufactured in our factory in Bergara Spain (see Bergara Barrels ). Bergara Barrels is one of the fastest growing, and certainly one of the most technically advanced barrel making facilitiies in the world.



I am sure you are reading the “opinions” of Randy Wakeman. Randy is certainly a talented and persuasive writer. But unfortunately he is a little misguided. His online articles are packed with untruths, half-truths and misleading statements designed to turn shooters away from CVA products. I think if you go back and read these articles again with an open mind you will see that this guy is on some sort of vendetta and has really gone off the deep end in his hatred of our company. Why??? I don’t know, I wish I did. O’Neil Williams, the host of the popular hunting and fishing show Outside with O’Neil Williams, recently forwarded a similar email to our company CEO. Attached is the response. I have sent it to you because this letter explains things pretty well. Please take the time to read it. If, after reading this letter, you still have doubts, please send me your telephone number and I will be happy give you a call. In the mean time I suggest that you do as all of the editors of the major gun magazines are doing….ignore him.



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Mark Hendricks

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O’Neill:



Thank you for passing on your viewer’s concerns about the most recent Randy Wakeman web blog. Unfortunately, we have received quite a few inquiries regarding the garbage that this guy posts on the internet. Randy Wakeman is from the Chicago area and apparently makes the bulk of his income performing magic tricks in Chicago bar rooms. From what we know, he has never made any substantial amount of money as a “journalist” – as is evidenced by the fact that, to my knowledge, no respectable gun magazine has ever published anything that he has written. Not surprising really, as these publications are very concerned about maintaining their integrity. This is obviously not a concern of Mr. Wakeman or some of the persons and/or companies that he is, from all appearances, associated with in his smear campaign against BPI and our CVA brand. I am sure, however, that he is a very good magician, as he is obviously very capable of deceiving people in to believing whatever he wants them to believe, as is evidenced by Greg’s email to you. On a side note, you can actually see Mr. Wakeman on You Tube doing his magic tricks. It is really quite funny.



O’Neill, you have been working with us for a long time now, you have visited our factory, and you have shot our guns thousands of times, so I know that I am preaching to the choir on this. However, you may often have to address these types of emails, so I do want to make a few brief points about some of the things Mr. Wakeman says about CVA, BPI, and our manufacturer and owner, Dikar.



Test Firing -- Mr. Wakeman denigrates us for not test firing every single muzzleloader that we produce. What he fails to mention is that no other major muzzleloading manufacturer test fires all of their guns either -- not T/C, not Knight, not Traditions. So, why does he not call all of them to task also? That is a good question, and one that I do not have an answer for. Are they paying him off? Who knows? Certainly, if Mr. Wakeman feels that all muzzleloaders should be test fired, this is a valid opinion, but singling out CVA alone as a “menace” is ridiculous and dishonest. As of now, industry standards and government regulations in the USA do not require, or even recommend, the proof firing of muzzleloaders prior to sale. In some other countries, such proof firing is required for any gun, center-fire or muzzleloader, to be sold. Any CVA gun (or T/C, or Knight, or Traditions) sold in these countries would by law have to be proof fired before it could be legally sold. Of course, being the master of illusion that he is, Mr. Wakeman does not mention this in his article. Instead, he states only that CVA guns are “illicit and illegal” in several foreign countries.



CVA Voluntary Recall -- Yes, CVA did have a recall of one design of in-line gun that was made in 1995 and 1996 -- that’s almost 15 years ago! This is no secret. In fact, the recall is still in effect and we mention this in all of our catalogs and on our web page. The necessity for this recall made for some very difficult times for our Company, and indeed for some people who were injured with these guns. However, CVA took full responsibility at that time, and BPI (the current owner of the CVA brand) is continuing the efforts to find all 80,000 of these guns. So far, about 96% have been accounted for. For those who were injured with these guns, CVA or BPI has worked with those persons in good faith and given monetary settlements in the more serious cases. Because we have taken responsibility for these guns, no case involving a recall gun has ever gone to trial.



Other Gun Failures – Mr. Wakeman makes mention of other (non-recall) CVA guns that have failed. Have there been such accidents? Yes, there have been, just as there have been with T/C guns, Knight guns, and Traditions guns. Muzzleloading can be a very dangerous activity, especially if proper safety precautions are not followed. And, for sure, CVA is more exposed to this kind of thing because we sell from two to ten times more guns than any other manufacturer. We have seen guns fail due to being double loaded, loaded with smokeless powder, short started, shot with the barrel obstructed, etc., etc.,. You name it, we have seen it. These types of accidents can, and do, happen with all brands of muzzleloaders, but, for some reason, Mr. Wakeman only writes about those that happen with a CVA. Only in one case am I aware of Mr. Wakeman writing about any accident involving a muzzleloader other than a CVA. The accident occurred with a Savage muzzleloader (and Mr. Wakeman just happens to be on Savage’s payroll). Anyway, a famous muzzleloading expert and writer by the name of Toby Bridges had an accident with a Savage. Unlike his positions when a CVA gun is involved, Mr. Wakeman implied that Toby Bridges misused the gun -- which he possibly could have, but such latitude is never afforded to CVA by Mr. Wakeman.





That’s just three, O’Neill. I could go on and on, but I am not sure that your computer could handle the volume if I were to defend BPI/CVA against every false accusation that Mr. Wakeman has made against us. Why does he do it? Well, it could be that Savage (a competitor of CVA) encourages him to defame us. Many of our competitors are very frustrated in their attempts to compete with CVA, as we have been the number one selling brand of muzzleloader for almost a decade now. I hope, however, that this is not true, as Savage is a very well respected company within our industry. However, that being said, I cannot understand why Savage, or its president, Ron Coburn, would associate themselves either directly or indirectly with this kind of trash. Another explanation could be that Mr. Wakeman is getting paid in some way by the lawyers that he recommends to persons who have had accidents with CVA guns. From all appearances, he is a “rainmaker” for this one particular law firm, so generating business for them by whipping up all of this stuff on the internet may well indeed be another source of income for this self proclaimed gun expert. Or, does he just carry out vendettas for this law firm? He seems pretty tight with them, and they are the only law firm that has ever taken BPI/Dikar/CVA to trial – a case that they lost by unanimous verdict.



In the end, who knows what motivates Mr. Wakeman to pursue so voraciously his “internet terrorism” of our Company. O’Neill, you have been a great friend to CVA for many years. You and I both have shot these guns together. I started with the Company right about the time that the problem with the recall guns began. Since that time, I and my employees have worked very hard to rebuild the CVA brand, and we have done so, making it the number one muzzleloading brand in the USA. Over the past 14 years I have tested each model personally. I have shot our CVA guns thousands of times. Our employees and our families shoot them. You shoot them on TV. We sponsor shoots with consumers, Boy Scouts, Bass Pro, Cabela’s, gun writers, etc., etc., -- and never, not even once, has a CVA gun failed in any of these activities.



Sorry to go on for so long, O’Neill, but this situation really bothers me. Not that I am all that mad, but more so just disappointed. Disappointed that anyone could stoop as low as Mr. Wakeman and his associates have done. It says a lot about the culture we live in today, doesn’t it? I guess the internet has become the “National Enquirer” of the modern age -- a place where anyone can say anything about anyone, no matter how false or misleading, and then claim that it is all protected by “freedom of speech.” The internet is indeed the refuge of last resort for Mr. Wakeman and his lot, unencumbered by editors, fact checkers, or any sense of journalistic integrity.



Best regards,



Dudley McGarity

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Old 04-22-2011, 06:35 PM
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After all that I still wouldn't purchase a new CVA product right now. Having to defend their products nationally says something is/was wrong. I've said in the past CVA made really low quality ml rifles and I stand by that remark. They have improved their line-up greatly today. Too much baggage/history for me. The offer is still open to sell the flint mountain rifle as it is no match for a TC PA hunter.
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Old 04-22-2011, 08:08 PM
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how much you want for that junk mountain rifle? ;) aught to give it away since its gonna blow my head off!

go to youtube and type in Gun explosions. You'll see your remington, ar15's going up in smoke.
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$325.00 would buy it. I didn't call it junk, you did. It's just not up to TC quality for a comparable product. FG, you don't remember the old CVA kit guns from their humble beginings and the years that CVA spent trying to catch up on quality of other ml rifles. I actually have one! I haven't purchased one of their new rifles because of the poor quality of their past overall product line. The 70's and early 80's mountain rifles were a decent rifle for the money but simply lay them side by side to a TC Hawken, Renagade, PA Hunter and the quality difference jumps right out, with the TC winning every time. I won't comment on the new stuff like you are shooting today and I see the target results you achieve, but for me I'd purchase a TC rifle just knowing their great product history. I may just have to get a new model CVA just to test against the Triumph or Knight, my guess is that it would be a decent rifle for the money but wouldn't make me want to get another one. That's my opinion.

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Old 04-22-2011, 11:16 PM
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I have been doing research about this gun and am unable to find anything about it. I can't even find anything on Cabelas where I bought it! Its a BPI-New Frontier Cascade Magnum .50 so if anyone has any info on this id love to have it. I cant find a company website or any info about someone buying that company. I havent shot the gun sence shortly after I bought it because I lost my shooting place, therefor I cant remember what load to use. Anyone know where I can find this info or hapen to have owned this gun?
I own a cascade magnum 50 cal. I use 100 gr.Of black powder and a 295 gr. Power belt bullet and have hit bulls eye at 120 yards distance. I have harvested deer from 30 to 75 yards. In the area I have hunted there are lots of trees and the farthest shot and kill I have made is 160 yards during fire arm season. Have not had the opportunity to fire that long range with my 50 cal. But I believe that I won't miss if I get the chance. I hope this helps.
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they recalled guns that had issues with the breech plugs popping out. This was in 1995. BPI "Current owner of CVA" still has the recall issue out and is taking care of those who may have been injured by the recall rifle.

FrontierGander, If you insist on posting all this CVA nonsense then you absolutely deserve all the replies you are getting in return but don't think anything you say or do is ever going to change history.
As the record shows CVA manufactured dangerous weapons and as far as this poster is concerned, they continue marketing below quality weapons even under new ownership/management.


("BPI "Current owner of CVA" still has the recall issue out and is taking care of those who may have been injured by the recall rifle")

They "legally" have to continue the recall until all known weapons that may have been affected have been examined, adjusted or better yet, destroyed.


And even though BPI has "legally" continued the recall they also didn't fail to make the following known.

Blackpowder Products, Inc. purchased the assets of CVA, Inc.
in May of 1999 Blackpowder Products assumed no liability for any product manufactured or sold prior to January 1, 1998.
Blackpowder Products, Inc., is continuing the Connecticut Valley Firearms, Inc., recall.


(they recalled guns that had issues with the breech plugs popping out. This was in 1995.)

So now finally, IF there were injuries reported back as far as 1995, How come the so called "Voluntarty" recall didn't take place until 2 years later?
FG, it's obvious the more you shine light on the CVA troubles from the past the more everyone get's to point out your ignorance to the facts.
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