i never sead that the products dont help, or that i dont use some of them. or that disrespecting a deers nose wont get you bussted eery time. i just stated that i dont buy into all the hype. this new product, that new product, dont even go into the woods unless you just showerd with scent free soap, dryed off using a towel that was washed in scent free deturgent, washed your $400 scent lok sute in the same scent free deturgant, and make sure to dry it real good so you activate the carbon. touched nothing on the way to your hunting spot, then sprayed down with your bottle of the newist and "best" scent killer spray, used a cover scen, and a scen lure. pluss "you gotta hace atlest 3 dozen different deer calls" at the same time. oh and atlest 3 to 4 of the tinks scen bomb wicks, doused in tinks 69, or special golden esterous ect ect. iv played that game and it did not work, and i have also gone into the woods doing little/spending little, kepped the wind in my face and seen and shot deer. thats all im saying.