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Old 12-03-2009, 05:26 PM
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One of my patients that hunts right next to one of my hunting spots came in this morning with pictures of a couple bucks that he and a buddy killed. Both of these deer were 2.5 y/o 8 point bucks that I have passed up multiple times. Each of these deer had characteristics that would make them an awesome deer if they were allowed to mature. One of them was about 20" wide with very long beams for a 2 year old. The other had incredible brow tines and a unique height to his beams. I am disappointed to hear that this guy killed these deer...they are not his typical quarry. Have prolly 50 pics of each of these deer from my trail cams...I just wish they would have stayed on my side. I guess as much as I try I just can't manage this herd around here with people around me not willing to comply with my deer management strategy. I plan on talking to him a little more about it before next year though.
John Eitzen

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Old 12-03-2009, 05:56 PM
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i know kinda how you feel. I constantly pass on small bucks, even a couple nice 8 and 9's to let them get older. Then there's plenty I mean PLENTY of people around here that see horns and boom... Kinda the case of if its brown... well you know the rest
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Old 12-03-2009, 06:17 PM
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i think trying to get your neighbors on board would help all of you. maybe they will see it the same way.
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:10 PM
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Thats a tough one.. Hard with limited acreage to work with.. Good luck with the conversation..
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:44 PM
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I don't mean to sound rude and perhaps I am missing the point. But if you owned the land and told me I could not shoot the 8 pointer, I would do as you said. Otherwise, I would do like your patient and the friend did and harvest the deer. I expect most hunters would do likewise. I think most hunters would have no interest in someone trying to manage the deer population for their locale. Perhaps buying a very large tract of land you could control would help with your objective.
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:02 AM
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the bucks could have also gotten whacked by a car crossing the road,nobody owns deer they are all fair game
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by joel the signman View Post
nobody owns deer they are all fair game
I totally agree with Joel...

getting upset over someone harvesting an 8 pointer????
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
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Old 12-04-2009, 07:35 AM
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I can understand how you could be a little upset about this but as long as you stuck to the hunting/management goals that you set for yourself you were successful. You can not control what other hunters with different goals will do. They were successful for what goals they set for themselves. Personally, I would be floored to see one of the bucks you mentioned. Only twice have I seen bucks bigger than a small 6 point while hunting in the past 10 years. Thats hunting for you and thats what makes it so great.
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Old 12-04-2009, 09:18 AM
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Well, I guess I should have expected some of these comments. I do realize that I can't control everything that happens to this particular deer herd, but I was just saying I was disappointed to hear that both of the deer I had put effort into keeping alive were killed by someone else. This is just me mourning for the deer I should have killed next year or the year after. They were good deer with even better potential in this area. I am not mad at this guy for doing it, just like I said...disappointed that I don't get to see what they would have turned into.

The guy that killed these deer has one buck on his wall that scored 201 and a couple others that are over 170. I just didn't understand his motive for shooting these, and when I questioned him he said that day was his last opportunity to hunt this year. I know the place he hunts very well because it is right in the middle of the biggest part of my hunting land. There is an unbelievable number of deer that travel across it, and he said himself that he saw a bunch of does that day. I guess this goes right along with Ronn's topic about why some hunters will pass does to kill young bucks.
John Eitzen
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Old 12-04-2009, 09:38 AM
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If we were talking about a small 8 pointer, I understand. I would probably hang one with a 20 inch spread on the wall.

Just keep don't what you do. A little 2 year old can become a large 3 year old. And as Joel said. No one would have enjoyed the deer mashing a passing car.

The only way to can grow a monster is with a 7 ft fence or owning multiple square miles. Good luck.

And if it makes you feel any better. The 3 year old 11 point I shot last year was not caught on camera anywhere on our 880 acres (7 cameras). You may still have a Loch Ness that you haven't seen.
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