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Old 11-27-2009, 01:17 PM
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got a question mainly for the guys in states with a liberal doe limit.

If you can shoot more does than can be eaten in a year, what is the reason for shooting immature bucks? I'm not trying to bash anyone and I'm not saying its right or wrong, to each there own. Its something I just can't seem to get my head around. I mean, I can understand it with a season like here in nh where you get one rifle tag and only a couple days to take a doe then its bucks only and you want meat for the freezer, but in places you can take 4, 5, 6, does or more, just can't figure it out.

Keep in mind i'm a "its your hunt, shoot what you want" guy. just thinking and asking.

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Old 11-27-2009, 06:21 PM
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I dont understand it either here in Wisconsin we get 2 doe tags in some areas and none in others. Next year will be alot of the same but I am not going to shoot any does next year, it's buck or nothing. Our DNR says there are to many deer but most hunters are not seeing anything,the guys I talk to see bears and wolves but no deer.
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Old 11-27-2009, 06:49 PM
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Ronn I think for the most part it's probably that the hunters are too green and just don't understand the concepts of QDM yet
or may not even be aware of QDM yet.
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Old 11-27-2009, 07:00 PM
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i can understand that. its managing what you got there, like here. i'm sure they would just as soon close the does all together here. i'm not sure but i think we are on the same page. its the places that have unlimited does, like ky, or md, or nj, or al (not unlimited but very liberal), yet guys shoot 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 year old bucks. seems to me that if you want meat for the freezer and the doe limit is a liberal one you'd take does to fill the freezer and shoot only mature bucks but that may just be me.

maybe bruce. i was hoping that some of the guys from these states could shed some light on it for me.
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Old 11-27-2009, 07:20 PM
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Here we get a buck and a doe tag to begin with and after that you can buy as many doe tags as you want for $2 a piece. I prefer to shoot does over young bucks if I can help it but it depends on how slow the season is going.
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Old 11-27-2009, 09:23 PM
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In TN we have very liberal doe limits and for the most part I think your hunters that hunt all seasons (bow, muzzleloader, and gun) will let the smaller bucks walk and take a doe if their looking for meat or doe reduction of their herd.

Now during gun season (in my unit) we have a zero doe rule unless: your a landowner, sportsmen license holder, or you buy a special permit (type 94). So what happens is your "weekend warrior, i only hunt with gun" hunter will shoot the first deer that walks by him because they do not hunt the other seasons when they could have taken up to 3 doe a day. They dont buy the permit because they dont want to waste the extra $$$.

Thats just my 2 cents. In TN it has gotten better on QDMA in the past couple years. Last year was the least amount of yearling bucks taken in the past 20 years.

My other thought is along with Bruce's. Hunters being green to the QDMA process. I know and like an older guy that owns several hundred acres. Up until last year he would not allow anyone to shoot a doe on his land. He claimed more does equaled more bucks. So the more bucks you would see. You also have alot of old school thinking still around of "If its brown its down."

Im like ronn on the "Its your hunt, do what you want with it." Even though I will sit and watch a spike or 4 point all day long it doesnt bother me if someone takes it. Thats just not what I want to shoot anymore. Now granted if im going hungry that spike better watch out. I got a 2nd cousin that will take any deer he sees, it doesnt matter what size it is.
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:49 PM
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I hunt primarily for the meat, everything else is a bonus. buck, doe yearling. if it walks under my stand its fair game.
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Old 11-28-2009, 08:22 AM
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I hunt primarily for the meat, everything else is a bonus. buck, doe yearling. if it walks under my stand its fair game.
what is il's bag limit on does? fairly liberal isn't it? how many deer a season do "you" get? do you hunt bow and firearm hunt? I know some guys got limited time or access to lands and that makes anything fair game, understandable. but I also know guys will pass does and shoot immature bucks and i'm not sure why.

I got one and a half in the freezer from pa and would like one more to finish it out and share with family and friends but doubt i'd shoot a fork with the rifle and probably not with the bow. although that maybe a better choice than shooting a doe with the bow here in nh.
honestly if its a legal deer it takes allot for me to let it pass but its a good feeling afterward just to know i could have but didn't.
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Old 11-28-2009, 06:45 PM
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I never took the time to add up all the doe possibilities in Montana, but I think if a person had the time and wanted to drive all around the state, he or she could shoot about 20 does (sometimes several in one hunting district), but only one buck (have to choose between whitetails or muleys). You have a good point, Ron. It doesn't seem to make too much sense to shoot those immature bucks just for the meat. Personally, I never shoot a buck unless it has at least 8 points, and even most of these are in the 2-4 year old class - really not what you would call mature animals.
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Old 11-28-2009, 08:46 PM
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Here in North Carolina we can legally shoot an unlimited amount of does once we fill our card. Ten dollars per two doe bonus tags is the current price. My two cents on the matter is that I only hunt for meat and meat alone. I am never planning on mounting a buck on my wall at home. If I shoot a buck I usually just cut off the antlers and attach them to the front of my 4 wheeler(AKA the meat wagon). I do prefer does over bucks because they taste better and will shoot a doe 9 times out of 10. I have never really had a problem finding does to shoot because they are everywhere in the area that I hunt, however, if I have been in the stand for an hour and a half and a buck is the only thing that walks out, he is a goner. I'm just not that picky.
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