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Old 08-06-2009, 06:48 AM
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When i was young i did go to a lot of his shows
I still like him .
Teds views would be better for the people ..
Than what we get out of washington
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Old 08-07-2009, 09:41 PM
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Look, guys, I agree that Ted is passionate about the 2nd Amendment and that he gets his word out there because of his celebrity. But here's what I mean when I say he does more harm than good.
In the U.S.A. there are only three groups when it comes to the whole guns/hunting issue: the gun owners/hunters (us), the anti-gun owner/hunters and the non-gun owners/hunters. This last group is the largest by far. It's important to remember this because most of them can move in either direction on these issues. Since the percentage of hunters has been decreasing for years (kids rather play with their i-pods and be indoors) our place in America's future is not bright.
People who are on the extremes. Let's say the nut cases, like PETA on one side and Nugent on the other, tend to move the neutral folks away from their cause. They don't just turn people off, they move them in the opposite direction. Basically, Nugent sounds good to lots of hunters, and the PETA spokespeople sound just as good to the vegans, etc. But they are both just "preaching to the choir" while offending the folks in the middle. I have seen this happen countless times in my life - never once have seen bashing people over the head change their minds one bit.
To use an oft repeated phrase, "We need to win the hearts and minds" of these people who are in the middle - who by the way will be voting for or against hunting and gun laws, and when the time for that comes, I would much rather have them remembering a persuasive logical discussion than reacting to some rantings, threats and insults from a self-appointed representative of gun owners who they heard on TV, or You-Tube or read about in a magazine.
In my personal dealings with anti-gun or anti-hunting folks, I try to let them say what they believe, and then present rational arguments mixed with thought-provoking questions. Sort of a give-and-take approach. People listen to you if they believe you are listening to them. My bet in all of this is that my reasoning is better than theirs and that even if I bring them just a little closer to my way of thinking, or even just solidify their neutral position, I will have made progress in preserving our future as gun owners and hunters.
If the best we can do is advocate the hard line, we really aren't that different from the PETA types. The strategy and approach being basically the same. What we should try to do is impress people with logical beliefs, rational arguments, and in so doing win converts to our cause. Sometimes it's not what you say, but how you say it.

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Old 08-08-2009, 06:50 AM
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I can back his views cause for the most part i think he, the nuge, has taken the right stand but I find him personally abrasive. I'm kinda with onehorse on this issue when it comes to me talking over the issue with anyone. but that being said there is the old saying you fight fire with fire. If the antis are pumping millions into their cause and doing all these things to get on the news and such, is not a way to combat this is to fight fire with fire. If the extremes of the right stay quite all that is heard is the extremes of the left. kinda a double edge sword
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Old 08-08-2009, 08:33 AM
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look all celebs are bigger than life, thats why they are celebs. at least he not jumping up and down on Opra's coutch telling people who are mentaly ill not to take there meds. yes he is harsh but he makes good lodgical points to. if the penituly for pedifils was geting tide up in a sound proof room and left with the kids dad, there would be alot less sex offenders, and zero repeat offenders, ya its harsh, but the perverts deserve it, not the kids.

i going to get banned for that aint i.
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Old 08-08-2009, 08:51 AM
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Onehorse I agree with some of what you're saying and I understand that not everyone is going to be a Ted Nugent rocker fan or supporter
but Ted Nugent as a Hunter? I would think you and all hunters would encourage and promote his efforts...
I think it's better to educate the non-gun owners and the non-hunters with real facts versus letting them become
brainwashed by the lies the Anti's constantly throw at them.

Ted Nugent is VERY abrasive, sometimes overly abrasive and too outspoken and at times "I" even wish he'd shut his mouth and let the subject settle down some,, but he doesn't ever lie to the public or try to exagerate the facts.

I think for the most part the majority of people concerned are well educated and intelligent beings capable of making proper choices based on facts vs. fiction...
IF any one of them are interested enough to listen to either side,, I'd much rather Ted stand up and be heard vs. the anti's.
Nobody can make a clear decision if the facts are are cloudy, gray and unclear and only coming from one side...

The following Videos are a few of my personal Ted Nugent Favorites and one video by Suzanna Gratia Hupp... Her story needs to be heard over and over and over again...


Onehorse I agree with some of what you're saying and I understand that not everyone is going to be a Ted Nugent rocker fan or supporter
but Ted Nugent as a Hunter? I would think you and all hunters would encourage and promote his efforts...
I think it's better to educate the non-gun owners and the non-hunters with real facts versus letting them become
brainwashed by the lies the Anti's constantly throw at them.

Ted Nugent is VERY abrasive, sometimes overly abrasive and too outspoken and at times "I" even wish he'd shut his mouth and let the subject settle down some,, but he doesn't ever lie to the public or try to exagerate the facts.

I think for the most part the majority of people concerned are well educated and intelligent beings capable of making proper choices based on facts vs. fiction...
IF any one of them are interested enough to listen to either side,, I'd much rather Ted stand up and be heard vs. the anti's.
Nobody can make a clear decision if the facts are are cloudy, gray and unclear and only coming from one side...

The following Videos are a few of my personal Ted Nugent Favorites and one video by Suzanna Gratia Hupp... Her story needs to be heard over and over and over again...


Onehorse I agree with some of what you're saying and I understand that not everyone is going to be a Ted Nugent rocker fan or supporter
but Ted Nugent as a Hunter? I would think you and all hunters would encourage and promote his efforts...
I think it's better to educate the non-gun owners and the non-hunters with real facts versus letting them become
brainwashed by the lies the Anti's constantly throw at them.

Ted Nugent is VERY abrasive, sometimes overly abrasive and too outspoken and at times "I" even wish he'd shut his mouth and let the subject settle down some,, but he doesn't ever lie to the public or try to exagerate the facts.

I think for the most part the majority of people concerned are well educated and intelligent beings capable of making proper choices based on facts vs. fiction...
IF any one of them are interested enough to listen to either side,, I'd much rather Ted stand up and be heard vs. the anti's.
Nobody can make a clear decision if the facts are are cloudy, gray and unclear and only coming from one side...

The following Videos are a few of my personal Ted Nugent Favorites and one video by Suzanna Gratia Hupp... Her story needs to be heard over and over and over again...


YouTube - TEXAS MONTHLY TALKS - TED NUGENT

YouTube - Ted Nugent on SCOTUS 2nd Amendment Ruling

YouTube - Ted Nugent's Salute To Some Our Hero Warriors

YouTube - Suzanna Gratia Hupp explains meaning of 2nd Amendment!
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look all celebs are bigger than life, thats why they are celebs. at least he not jumping up and down on Opra's coutch telling people who are mentaly ill not to take there meds. yes he is harsh but he makes good lodgical points to. if the penituly for pedifils was geting tide up in a sound proof room and left with the kids dad, there would be alot less sex offenders, and zero repeat offenders, ya its harsh, but the perverts deserve it, not the kids.

i going to get banned for that aint i.
Hey I share the same view as you NH I like your approach to the situation and I agree with you so I'll ban both of us right now Just Kidding LOL
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Old 08-09-2009, 01:28 PM
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I'm in the middle with the nuge, some of his baiting and shooting lends himself to the anti's but I like his 2nd ammendment backing. He is out there and I understand you either like him or not.
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