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Old 01-27-2009, 08:57 PM
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Things are a bit slow here so lets open for debate the issue of baiting game animals for the sole purpose of harvesting them. First, let me say I've baited many years ago so I do know what its all about. Secondly, I've chosen not to bait as I now do not care to hunt that way. Here's the question: What do the members here feel with regards to legal baiting. Please keep the debate civil and your goal is to convince me that baiting is and should remain an accepted method of legal hunting, or why baiting should be banned. I do not consider food plots baiting if animals are not shot over the plots. Remember this is just a questioniare. Fire away!
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:25 PM
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I don't bait because I know how to hunt.
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Old 01-27-2009, 09:39 PM
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someone is feeling randy.grin I'll play. look at it this way. is it hunting over a bait if you shoot a deer going to a cut corn field where the corn spills on the ground? Is that hunting a food source? a food plot? bait? Now what if you shoot that same deer on the edge of the field? 30 yards in the woods going to the corn? 100 yards going to the corn? 500yards going to the corn? I don't think hunting over a bait is bad or wrong cause in a way we all do it. natural bait, the oak stand, or man made. what about a water source? man made pond? water tank? what about a decoy? isn't that bait? or the scent from a bottle of a hot doe? everyone hunts over bait. as a hunter its your job to know where the food is and use it to your advantage with an opposable thumb we can put it where we want. the plus side is a hunter's ability to pick and choose the game to take if bait has made the game more predictable. i know that some parts of the country there really isn't any advantage cause the food sources and the travel routes are limited and very predictable. the down side is mature deer can be wary of anything that wasn't there before. baiting for hunting is no different than fishing. there you have it. what do ya think?
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Old 01-27-2009, 10:04 PM
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Baiting= Taking a bag of corn etc and dumping it on the ground by a stand

Patterning= Locating food source, locating bedding, locating travel routes, LEARNING

Hunting= Learning how to PATTERN deer and choosing stand location

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Old 01-27-2009, 10:16 PM
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I guess im still in the "I dont know" on this topic.. Let me explain why.. I read ronn's post and thought "yeah that all makes sense", but then I read wmi's post and thought "heck thats a good way of looking at it too"

I guess it dont bother me how you do it as long as its done legally for your state. Its not legal in TN so it would tick me off if I knew the farm next to the one Im hunting has bags of corn all over the ground..

If I took the time to build a food plot you better believe Id would put a stand around it if the deer were hitting it..

ronn's point of "doe in heat" being considered bait is a good one.. If you look at it that way its the same as dumping corn on the ground...

wmi's point of "patterning = learning" is darn good one too
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Old 01-28-2009, 05:29 AM
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its a "ride in a boat or paddle the boat" type thing. aren't both "someone dumping corn on the ground"? in some places patterning deer isn't as easy as places with beans a corn growing. so a guy creates a food source and pattern deer. kinda like making a jig in wood working. i really could go either way. here's a thought, lots of bear and coyote baiting goes on. so what makes deer so different. why are deer so special. another thing we hunt rabbits and bear and coon and birds with dogs why are deer special? thinking on a pure predator/prey bases. its almost you got to be PC and hunt deer "fair". playing devils advocate here.
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Old 01-28-2009, 06:15 AM
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I like baiting/ I do bait. But I bait for the soul purpose of seeing the deer, not harvesting them. But I don't think baiting deer for harvest is as bad as some people may think, hey it actually can add weight, lol - you still have sit in a stand or blind and you are not guaranteed to always see anything...now I must say I think that your chances might be better than someone that sits on a trail - but that trail goes somewhere, maybe to corn, or soybeans, or water, it goes somewhere and more than likely to a food source. The thing with baiting is you can have the deer concentrated in one particular spot whereas 'trail hunting' you have to pick a spot and hope the deer come there and do not take take another route. but that's the same thing with baiting you still are not guaranteed to anything...maybe the deer got spooked by a coyote and won't be coming to the corn tonite, or this moring...really I think your chances are ALMOST and I say ALMOST the same as someone who hunts over a trail, you still have to sit just like everyone else and you are NOT guaranteed to see anything - I know I didn't really answer the question but that's my thoughts on the "situation"
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:22 PM
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Im going to have to go with joel on this.Even though Ronn makes a good point about the doe in heat.I like to find natural feeding and watering areas in order to pattern deer and put a stand.I do plant food plots sometimes in order to keep deer on my particular piece of property.I have hunted over food plots but typically only keep them up until the beginning of season.BUT.If I knew a kid that wanted to go hunting Id have no problem throwing some corn out and after it was gone Id hunt there.It takes alot to keep youth interested and Id do whatever it takes.
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Old 02-09-2009, 05:42 PM
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kyle85 not being a wise guy but you prove my point by picking and choosing when to hunt "over" bait. If bait is changing the deers patteren how is that different than a food plot or crop that does the same thing. what if its been, say, cotton and now its corn? WE ALL hunt "over" bait whether we choose to admit it to ourselves or not. the problem is trying to force the land to carry more deer than it can without human intervention, kinda joel's point I believe, which again could be a food pile or plot. Great disscussion all.
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Old 02-09-2009, 08:46 PM
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Pardon me Ronn but I do not hunt bait (Man placed food source purposely placed for attracting deer). I may hunt food sources but mostly only travel corridors leading to and from. The reason I only hunt travel routes is hunting the food source itself here in my areas only screws up the deer patterns that I have busted my butt locating. Hunting the food source is the best way on most hunting properties of making deer go nocturnal. How can you ever become a proficient hunter if all you know is corn and how much to put out. I don't care what others may think of this but baiting is lazy hunting. There is so much more to learn than staring at a bait pile. To me it is like going to work not being there to be productive but to just punch a clock.
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