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post #41 of 82 (permalink) Old 02-09-2009, 09:45 PM
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Minnows and worms are one thing and a spinner bait is another. Bait is illegal in most bass tourneys but crank baits are not. Crop fields and oak trees will be there even if deer are not. Apples and oranges or to me in this case coconuts and raisins. Sorry my friend but on this one you are in far left field. There is a difference.
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post #42 of 82 (permalink) Old 02-10-2009, 04:05 AM
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crop or oak stand same thing. Keying on food, food and its relationship to bedding. Bait = food placed by man, planted by man or naturally occurring. The difference is you are after a particular animal which adds a whole series of facets. They call shiners bait fish don't they, whether its on a hook or not?
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sorry guys but on this one i'm leaning towards WMI, There is a skill issue involved also. I can create a hunting situation by adding a lure or I can hunt by learning how to hunt naturally. I think there is a difference, whether it is a worthwhile difference each hunter can decide that. The picture becomes more grey when food plots are included as some are for nutrition others are for harvesting. To teach a youngster that you need to put out a bait pile and shoot deer is not teaching hunting skills. I like the debate but there won't be any winners/loosers when all is said and done just differences.
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post #44 of 82 (permalink) Old 02-10-2009, 07:06 AM
 
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the thread isn't about natural Food sources or food plots, it's about Baiting and baiting in it's simplest definition means; "A Luring substance, intentionally deposited for the sole use of attracting wild game, fish or other."

and no matter how you look at it or try to interpret it, baiting in NO way even comes close to being "Natural".

HM is right when he says "there won't be any winners/loosers when all is said and done" "just differences"

The bottom line will be determined by whether a person fully understands what baiting means and how they want their hunting style to be perceived by other Hunters which is, are they hunting or are they baiting? it's that simple.

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Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote.
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So wmi, if I put out a bait pile but only hunted the travel corridors leading to it, would that make it ok? Grins...had to ask ya know. I agree with you that baiting is an atempt to make a short cut. I'm still not convinced that it's a real short cut or not, depends on what you're after. I've had a bait pile going since mid december and still can't draw in all the deer around, much less one that would like to shoot. I also agree with Ron that crop fields and such is bait also. We have been trying to enhance one of the properties we hunt using what I call bait, i.e. food plots, browse, green briar, and security cover etc. It's just not a corn pile.

We cannot continue to do the same things and expect different results
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It falls in the deep well of subjects like potatoes and tomatoes. Food plots can help the deer herd but I do not like to hunt them because in my eye they are just killing fields. Like Ron and I both agreed when you go on a guided hunt it makes you a shooter not really a hunter in our sense and meaning of the word. I feel the same way about baiting. On a guided hunt you go where they tell you but at home I have a choice. Since I hunt for the challenge my CHOICE is not to hunt over bait.
All of this being said the most important thing STILL is that we are all hunters. Even though we have differences in opinions we as a whole need to stick together because of the big picture we (ALL) are faced with today of other groups trying to take our privileges away. This is the most important subject in my eyes.
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I have to say the responces have been really great on this subject. Its an emotional subject when you add tradition, trophy hunters, genuine habitat improvers and pure harvesters to the mix. What it boils down to is decisions/personal choises and the law. I think many of us go through a hunting evolution where-by we change our priorities which changes our choises and ultimately our decisions regarding our hunting style. This is only one subject in that arena. When I travel to Canada for trophy pike it will be under their natural enviroment using a man-made lure to mimick a bait fish, oh no!!!!!!!
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it falls in the deep well of subjects like potatoes and tomatoes. Food plots can help the deer herd but i do not like to hunt them because in my eye they are just killing fields. Like ron and i both agreed when you go on a guided hunt it makes you a shooter not really a hunter in our sense and meaning of the word. I feel the same way about baiting. On a guided hunt you go where they tell you but at home i have a choice. Since i hunt for the challenge my choice is not to hunt over bait.
all of this being said the most important thing still is that we are all hunters. Even though we have differences in opinions we as a whole need to stick together because of the big picture we (all) are faced with today of other groups trying to take our privileges away. This is the most important subject in my eyes.
wmi,i'm with you!!!awsome reply!!!my hats off to you.now can we put this tread to rest because you just said it all!!!we are all hunters with some very different ways of hunting.very interesting.

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It ant over till the fat lady kills a deer on a baited field...
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