Ronn, I think there is a big difference between hunting near an alfalfa field or any natural feeding area and using a bait. The alfalfa fields that I hunt near, for example are huge - hundreds and hundreds of acres. There is no way of telling just which way the deer will come in from one day to the next. Same thing would be the case for a corn field, or an oak stand, etc. I admit to being ignorant about baiting, but I'm guessing that the baited area is pretty much localized and specific. So that when the deer come in, the hunter can be pretty sure where they will be. I suppose, if you put in a plot, that might be a whole lot bigger - not quite the same as a feeding machine, which, in my opinion, sort of pinpoints where the deer will be. Again, not to be misunderstood, I am not criticising anyone, just trying to see what different definitiions we all have for hunting. To me it's trying to figure out the animal, hunting the terrain as much as the deer, itself, doing a little exploring into at least one new area each year. I also like spot-and-stalk hunting (which is pretty much a western thing). But I do also enjoy stand hunting between the alfalfa field and bedding areas, and, as I said yesterday, if I were in your areas, I 'd probably hunt the same way you all do.