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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-25-2008, 09:14 AM Thread Starter
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post #2 of 16 (permalink) Old 01-25-2008, 09:56 AM
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It is hard to manage a deer herd on 500 acres but you can have some impact. I would point out a couple of things:

1) Generally you will see more small bucks and does even in a well balanced herd because the big bucks didn't get big by being visible. A camera census may help.

2) I doubt the smaller bucks are breeding the does. You may see them chasing the does but if there are dominant bucks around the does will find them.

Typically the QDM managers I know use a combination of camera census, written hunter reports and harvest information to determine the deer density, sex ratio and percentage of older age class bucks. Then they set the harvest goals for the club. A QDM club I belong to requires that every deer harvested be checked in, aged and scored at the club or face a fine. That club requires a 100 inch minimum antler score before it is harvested or pay a fine. Generally that protects all the bucks under 3.5 years old.

My 2 cents would be to hammer away at the does and let all the under age bucks pass. Determine what's the minimum age buck you want to harvest and wait for him. I would also try to recruit the adjoining land owners to protect the young bucks.
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Well you have decide if you want to manage QDMA or the trophy way. They are simular but still very different. As far as Qdma it would be best to get all of their info from them (LOTS OF INFO). The trophy way is diff. 500 acres is a big property but not in the whitetail world. At this time I'm hunting around 20 properties totaling around 4100 acres. Each is of coarse diff. My way might not be the right way but it really works for me. I shoot small does and trophy bucks only. Here is why. Trophy bucks are attracted to the more mature does because mature does have a stronger estrus than a young doe. They have twins versus singles. If your property has many mature does then it will attract many mature bucks from all over the area. The mature bucks and does will force the smaller bucks out of the area. Your neighbors will cull those animals for you. Harvest as many small does as you can and you will see a big difference in 2 to 3 years. There is no way you can tell if a buck is going to become a super buck until he is 3 1/2 years of age just the same he will be a nice buck to most hunters. Some may say your land won't be balanced but trust me the surrounding properties will keep that from happening. There is a down side. You will be hunting around the most educated deer in the woods so you will have to be at the top of your game on scent control, wind, and your approach. Try to keep your buck harvest to 130 to 140 or better. In time you will even get to the point of holding out for better. I do not know where you are from so you might have to adjust these marks accordingly. This method works but it will take seasons to see the benifits. There is no quik fix. This is not just oppinion but fact. You have to have anyone else hunting there do the same or it won't work.
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excellent input guys.I say shoot the small does,they taste best . let the others grow,the older does make better moms ,teaching the others how to survive.If ya need an extra shooter to cull those small does im sure you can find some volunteers

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Thank You For The Very Good Advice!! I Will Be Putting It To Good Use.man I Love This Forum Every Body Seems So Friendly.i Want To Thank You For That.

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We have lots of small bucks here too and we try not to shoot any of them,much better to take the does. If you let the small bucks go they have that much better chance of growing older and older means bigger.
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I want to add one thing. When you are havesting these small does do it with a bow. You want to keep your property a quiet as possible so the deer look at it as a sanctuary from the hords of hunters surrounding you. You can if your state allows shoot mult. deer from one stand and in one sitting without distubance to the rest of the deer population. It is very important to make these mature deer feel safe. During gun season make it trophy season only. Your best rule of thumb with bucks is if he is not worthy of a trip to the taxidermist don't shoot him. Also in the start up of this do not hunt bedding or feeding areas but travel corridors. This will help deer from going nocturnal on you.
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Isn't it better coming to a site where you can let your children browse and know
they're not going to be slammed with bad language or end up reading about filth and foul?
This site is by far the best on the Net...
All thanks goes to our members for maintaining a great family environment..
Bruce, I couldn't agree with you more. I've quit visitng so many sites because there just seemed to be so many people who were angry or political. Lots of name-calling and fighting going on. Let's do everything we can to keep this one a better, more civil and all-age-friendly site. We adults have to set the example for these young bucks - not only in how we conduct oursleves in the field, but also in the way we relate to each other. It's our responsibility! This has methinking that maybe we should come up with some sort of "pledge" or "motto" or "mission statement" that defines our objectives in that regard. What you guys think about that? Mark, what do you think about this idea?
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see the "sticky" at the top of the forum?
Sticky Thread Sticky: Forum Rules----New Members Please Read it has all of that in it.

Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison.
Genesis 27:3 "The thinking deer hunter should mature through three phases during his hunting life. First phase, "I need to kill a deer." Second phase, I want to harvest a nice deer. And last phase, we must manage this resource so our children and their children can experience the grand tradition of good deer hunting." - Jim Slinsky
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