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beetlebomb 08-18-2012 09:33 AM

Muzzy's versus Slick Tricks
 
Anyone got an opinion on the comment below, from this web site:

fixed blade broadheads in a crossbow? - HuntingNet.com Forums

(scroll down 5 comments to Centaur 1 to see the whole comment)


"The bad thing with a Muzzy is that the blades are held into the ferrule with their "trocar" tip.

When the ferrule is machined the threads for the tip are cut on the front end of the ferrule then the slots for the blades are cut into the tip. If you know anyone who is a machinist ask them what happens when you take an aluminum shaft thats the diameter of an arrow, then starting at the end slice longitudinal slots into it.

Depending on whether you have 3 or 4 blade heads, you'll be left with 3 or 4 fingers of aluminum that have a tendency to bend outward and maybe even twist.

Now keeping in mind that using threads for alignment is inaccurate, and that the ferule now has a slight bend and twist from the machining process; at this point on a Muzzy broadhead you will insert the blades into the slots and screw the trocar tip onto the end, using the threads to attempt realignment of the four fingers of the ferule, the four blades, and the tip itself.

Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. I've personally checked this using a granite surface plate, vee blocks and a dial indicator. Even when I use this setup to try and achieve better arrow flight, I only get patterns which could be considered "good enough".

Now about Slick Tricks, (broadheads) there's no such alignment problems, the ferrule is solid steel, without that extra tip that screws on. Every time that I've spun an arrow with a Slick Trick installed, it has spun perfectly. And yes, I use the same dial indicator on them also".

Hunting Man 08-18-2012 01:27 PM

Been using Muzzy broadheads for over 15 yrs never encountered the above issue. Muzzy became #1 for a reason. If they didn't work I wouldn't use them. They are the baddest fixed blade out there, they fly perfect, and the blades stay put. What else would one want from a broadhead. However, It's like buying a truck, whatever you like stick with it.

beetlebomb 08-18-2012 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hunting Man (Post 71529)
Been using Muzzy broadheads for over 15 yrs never encountered the above issue. Muzzy became #1 for a reason. If they didn't work I wouldn't use them. They are the baddest fixed blade out there, they fly perfect, and the blades stay put. What else would one want from a broadhead. However, It's like buying a truck, whatever you like stick with it.

Thanks Hunting Man,
There's nothing like first hand experience for good advice.

Hellbilly 08-19-2012 08:44 PM

same here,I use muzzy 3 blade and would not change them for nothin. They fly great and will tear a deer up. I had a hide tanned and the guy said "I see you got him with a shotgun slug" He was amazed when I told him it was a 3 blade muzzy at about 30yds that put BOTH them big holes thru BOTH shoulders

BruceBruce1959 08-20-2012 07:25 AM

I have to agree with Huntingman and Hellbilly, I say, Muzzy broadheads are hands down "the best".
I know many other hunters that don't use Muzzy's and somewhere along they way they've all complained about the broadheads they use.
When I began hunting with a Bow, I hit/wounded (probably killed) a couple deer that I was never able to find,
I don't take pride in knowing I wounded but couldn't find those animals.
Muzzy's helped create a greater confidence for me and I will never switch to anythying else, When Muzzy claims they are "Bad to the Bone" You can bet on their Slogan.

Watch The Muzzy Story for an inside glimpse of Broadhead Technology....

Hunting Man 08-20-2012 10:32 AM

Broadheads have come a long way even since I've been hunting. I started out using Bear's with the bleeder blade insert. Then the long pointed one, can't remember the name, RazorBak 4&5, Rocky Mountain's, Thunder Heads, Muzzy's, Rage, now back to Muzzy. In two recent years I saw three deer lost with buddies using Rage heads. To be fair the same two hunters took clean kills with the rage. The lost deer were hit in the boiler room and simply stop bleeding and we lost the trail after 1-1.5 miles of tracking. To each their own on what brand you prefer.

beetlebomb 08-21-2012 12:18 AM

Looking back now I'm convinced those deer I lost for lack of blood trail were out there dead within 100 yards and if I had that knowledge back then I bet I would have found most of them. As it was I didn't know what to think. The way they took off like they weren't touched threw me and I figured they were long gone.

Hellbilly 08-22-2012 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by beetlebomb (Post 71585)
Looking back now I'm convinced those deer I lost for lack of blood trail were out there dead within 100 yards and if I had that knowledge back then I bet I would have found most of them. As it was I didn't know what to think. The way they took off like they weren't touched threw me and I figured they were long gone.

always look for the tail tail sign "THE TAIL" if the tail is down after you shoot at a deer 99% you got him,if tail is up and flaggin 99% you missed. also if you dont see blood find your arrow and she what it tells you.also look for hair and or stomach juice. If you do see blood the color of it will tell ya were you hit it at also. brite red thick blood is heart, red to pink foamy blood is lungs.if blood is very dark red to almost brown its liver.if this is what you got give the deer plenty of time to bed down and bleed out.This shot can take awhile to put deer down.if you start pushing it you will be in for a long tracking job and may loose it

beetlebomb 08-22-2012 01:32 PM

Thanks for the comments B&C,
I knew I had made good hits on those lost deer (heard the hollow "thump" (hit the lung area) deer stock still right up to impact, arrow covered in blood,) but I got all unsure of myself as to the chances or procedure of looking for the deer or how far it might go.
I knew to wait at least an hour but I figured if there is no blood trail in the daylight where do I start with a flashlight?

And here's where the rub comes in for new hunters all alone like I was. There's no blood, so how far do you go right after the hit to look for blood or not look at all until the hour is up, considering it's likely going to be dark if you do wait?

Nowadays, after I check for a hit at the bait, I go back to my vehicle, take my time changing clothes, get out my field dressing pack and it's over an hour by the time I get back.

I start looking (usually with a light) on the line I last saw the deer go until I either find blood, deer or until I get tired.

In going back the next morning to look I think the main thing is confidence that the deer is out there not that far and likely laying in shallow water if there's any around.

Another thing (I heard about) and it didn't occur to me until after I found a deer once is that crows start talking about your lost deer. When I started to gut the deer those crows (I couldn't see them) went from cawing to low guttural sounds!
I tried to hunt crows once but decided they are just too cool an animal to shoot just for fun.


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