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Old 10-10-2011, 11:25 AM
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And your reading of The Bible may not be only way to understand it.

Careful... there is only one way to take the Bible and that is for EXACTLY what it says. This is why our country is plagued with people saying abortion is ok and that God will forgive it. It is not, and He will not. This is also why our country is saying it's ok to be gay and lesbian because God knows we were made that way. We were not and HE DID NOT. God intended things just the way he said they were in the Bible. That's the truth. Don't take anything from the Bible that's not in there. In order to be a Christian, you have to believe the truth,,,, not what a group of people gathered and created as a truth. That's why we have so many different types of denominations. When people don't like a certain part of the Bible they break off and make their own "truth". The Bible is the Bible, it is our book of life. God intended for it to guide us through life and NOT to change it or try to understand it in another way. YES, Jesus often spoke in parables, and they can be hard to understand, but it is best to pray about what is being said in the Bible than to try make up your own understanding. This is why we have preachers and pastors, they are there to guide us through the Bible.

Now, getting back to what huntnh said... Do I believe it to be a little harsh (about the fatherless and widow thing)... yes, and he knows that. I also know that huntnh is a Christian and we all make mistakes. THAT is called being human. Obviously huntnh doesn't wish death on anyone, that goes without saying. He's expressing his concern for this country and I get that. I too am very worried where this president is taking out country. I'm also concerned with where our country is going as a whole. We're no longer a Christian nation because of all the supposed "rights" we're giving out citizens. Abortion should NOT be a right. Gay and lesbian should NOT be a right. It is unchristian and NOT what God wants. Obama supports both of these things. The sad thing is, many people in our country (and I'll admit I do this too) sit back and don't worry about it because they personally DO NOT KNOW anyone who has had an abortion or is gay or lesbian so therefore, don't worry about it. The fact is, even though our President and congress throw around words like abortion like it's just another topic to discuss is disheartening. It's horrible that we even have to debate this topic. It's also horrible that we have to debate the topic of gays and lesbians. More lives are affected by gay and lesbian couples than abortions... but yet, we want people to have their freedoms to have same-sex partners. Does anyone realize how many people gay and lesbian couples mess-up every second of everyday? Think about any and all kids involved,,, it's sad. Our country is in a sad state right now. and we know this because we have discuss topics like killing human beings and allowing women to marry women and men to marry men.
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Old 10-12-2011, 05:47 PM
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I'm really enjoying this discussion and this exchange of ideas. It is very interesting.

I get the Christian view and your view of abortion and gays and the lesbians. That's all good. But what I don't get is why you think the government has a role and a right to tell those people how they should live their lives? It's not the government's business.

I also guarantee you DO know someone who has had an abortion and you do know someone who is gay and a lesbian. They have just chosen not to tell you about it or you haven't noticed because, as you said, you don't worry about.

Love to all, brother. Jesus wanted it that way!
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Old 10-13-2011, 12:11 PM
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Please don't question my love for my fellow humans. I have no reservations when it comes to loving others. Now, do I agree with some people's lifestyles? NO. Why do I have to be tolerant of their lifestyles? I'm not hating them, you brought that part up. I said nothing about hatred or dislike. I simply DO NOT agree with those things because they are not Biblical.
I also stated that I do not know anyone who has had an abortion or is gay/lesbian. That fact remains.. now if they are hiding it, they are doing a good job of it. The fact still remains, I don't know about it,, therefore I don't know someone who has or is.
The reason the government has a say-so on these issues is because first off, we are a CHRISTIAN nation. When this country was founded there was never talks of considering legalizing abortion, and yet rapes and incest still went on. There were no talks of gay and lesbian marriages, and yet there still were people living their lives this way. The Government, believe it or not, still has alot of influence on the people in this country. IF you gave your child a day of NO RULES and everything was "tolerated" and looked at as "acceptable" then your house would be in ruin and it would take you probably a week to "get your child back to normal". The same goes for this nation. If we were to legalize both of these things, where does that stop?

Are you saying that because something is legal, it's right????? I hope that's not what you are saying.... That's a HUGE gamble I wouldn't be willing to take. So if abortion was legalized throughout this nation, it would ok in your eyes? Just because it's "legal"? I'm guessing not,, in your eyes... but to many people IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THAT WAY... that's why government has a place.


LOVE TO ALL BROTHER... but I don't have to agree with your lifestyle....
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:58 PM
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Live and let live, I say brother. Not my business what you do, nor what my neighbor does, whether they follow one god or another or none. Definitely NOT the government's business either. State, Federal, city, county, they got no business poking in what goes on in my house when it's a MORAL issue. Who is to judge morality? God? So let Him judge not some corrupted elected official. Who they Hell are they?

Yes, a government provides an authority to build roads, provide fire department, police, and draw up LAWS that are criminal but a morality is not to be judged by a government.

And the 1600s and 1700s weren't so great. That's why we have progress. And electricity and the internet.
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Old 10-14-2011, 12:17 PM
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And the 1600s and 1700s weren't so great. That's why we have progress. And electricity and the internet.

1600's??? wasn't going back that far, brother. After all, our country was founded in 1776.

Your opinion is just that, YOUR opinion. And my opinion is just that, MY opinion. We can respect that.

You're right, kids that grow up with parents w/no morals and no rules tend to turn out so well. They grow up to be responsible citizens of this country and law abiders to the "t". I don't know what I was thinking about having a "governing body" (OR MOM AND DAD) in charge of them.

I think you are mistaking my opinion for saying I agree with how our government is ran right now,,, it is not ran correclty. I.E. it all starts with that big white colored house on Penn. ave. in DC. If we have a "parent" that had no morals and everything is socially exceptable, then the "kids" or COUNTRY will end up the way it is... but who cares, let's just continue letting the people of this country make their own decisions when it comes to abortion and gay and lesbian issues... our country is in such a great shape right now.
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So let Him judge not some corrupted elected official. Who they Hell are they?


So then why do you vote one way? If all elected officials in your eyes should only deal with ROADS, FIRE DEPT, POLICE etc... why does it matter who you vote for , or if you vote at all?
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:34 PM
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So then why do you vote one way? If all elected officials in your eyes should only deal with ROADS, FIRE DEPT, POLICE etc... why does it matter who you vote for , or if you vote at all?
I don;t vote one particular way. I vote on which candidate has the better character and policies. And each candidate has the potential to screw up the roads, fire dept, police.

And when I pay my taxes I want them spent on those things not the politicians pension funds.
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Dylan if those are the things (roads, police dept.'s, fire dept.'s) that decide who you'll vote for, then you should avoid voting for Obama.
Obama's already spent Trillions of dollars and has a Proven record of spending money on everything but Roads, Police Dept's. and Fire Dept's.
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Obama has taken our country to a serious evil depth that will take many many years to climb out of. The USA is tarnished and needs to be shined up and put back on the road of world leaders. We need factories, refineries, production, not failed solar companies that sucked up taxpayer monies and went out of business or are building factories in Mexico with our tax dollars or corrupt banking. Obama stands for all that is bad/wrong. Being gay or socialist or whatever is your right as a human, just remember you will be the only one standing to be judged one at a time in front of the only judge that matters and only you will have to explain your actions, there won't be gangs of immoral supporters trying to "change" the rules backing you up. If you think our God is all forgiving then read about Sodom and Gamora (Tator correct my spelling) there was two cities so morally corrupt that God had enough and permanently ended the sinning. Justifying corruption/socialism/immoral acts is exactly whats matter with our country. I might be old fashion in my thoughts but I'm comfortable with/in them. This might be all over the place but I get my dandruf up over the thought processes of the Obama supporters and their ways. I'm done, sick to my stomach now.
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Old 10-15-2011, 04:48 PM
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i think you guys are wasting your time with Dylan. im about 99% sure he is trolling, and the fact that he knew what i was refuring to when i called him a troll just renforces that thought. not to mention the fact that he hasent gone way off the deep end with it, and can get you all to go back and forth about his post show to me that he is good at it, and has been doing it a long time. just ignoring him is the only way he will stop.
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