Well that thread got closed really fast. I didn't have time to get anything in on my behalf.
First off, I want to apologize for "how" I said what I said. When I stated that the article "sickens me" I merely meant it made ME feel bad about that this act is going on in our most important and respectable political house. This is the Christian corner and one of the many Christian beliefs is that men are supposed to be married to women and women are to be married to men. Maybe "sickening" was a poor choice of words. Disheartening sounds better and really depicts how I felt after reading this article.
Now the next subject. To start accusing me of "hating" gay and lesbian people is completely inaccurate and offensive. So for that, I hope I do get an apology. I in no way said anything of the sort. Do I hate gay and lesbians? NO. Absolutely not. I know gay and lesbian people and I interact with them almost daily. Do I condone their lifestyle? NO. Just because they do something I think is not biblical doesn't mean I hate them. This is a worldly view of all Christians. The world thinks that Christians hate gays, lesbians, muslims, buddists, etc... In fact the exact opposite is true. I don't hate them, to me, as a Christian, they are "lost" and it is my goal to win them over for God. If I can't do this, hopefully I at least planted a seed that someone else will then further water and nurture and hopefully it will grow into a relationship with our Heavenly Father and accepting He sent His Son to die on the cross for our sins. That's my hope for everyone. I don't hate people for their beliefs. If that were the case, I would hate Scorpion for what he believes in- and that's just not true. I respect him and his stance. I told him my stance in another thread and he respected me. It is my hope that I can further talk to him one day about the greatest gift ever. I was open with him and he was open with me. Do we agree? No, not really. So does that mean I hate him? NO. That would be childish and ridiculous.
I do not view gay marriage as a Godly thing. I do not believe God made humans "gay". I believe homosexuality is a sin and I believe people who are committing this sin can be saved from it just the same as I'm saved from the sin I commit. These are my beliefs. This is what I believe in. I always have and always will because through my eyes and many others like me, it's the TRUTH.
So in closing, I am sorry to anyone I may have offended. That was not my intention. I was not trying to relay hatred toward this particular lifestyle. I chose my words poorly and I hope I have not caused any separation amongst ourselves here at the DHC.
Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable
Tator, actually I think Scorpian took more offense at me not you, that is how I took it. Anyway past is past and a new subject is waiting for us. Name calling will not in the future be acceptable.
I realize this, but I wanted to apologize if anyone took what I said the wrong way. I feel like I started the fire that then got out of control. I honestly and sincerely was only speaking about how this was disappointing to me because it was happening in our nation's capitol. That upsets me. My beliefs are my beliefs. I don't agree with it, but I don't hate them. I in no way hold hatred towards homosexuals. I don't understand why they choose certain things for their lives, but I in no way hate them. If anything, I fear them. I know it sounds strange, but I do. I fear that I don't know what to say to get through to them when really I need to trust in God to give me the words to say. I also fear them because I don't understand that lifestyle and I don't believe it is acceptable in God's eyes.
This reminds me- God does not require Christians to bring every person they meet to Him for salvation. All He wants you to do is plant a seed. He will do the rest. Sometimes, when you speak about the greatest gift ever people take to it and they are ready to join God's team. And then sometimes, some people take longer and sadly, they may never "get it". I have a lot of people I am praying for right now in my life. Many of them are non-believers or they believe in God but have no relationship with Him. It's my duty to speak to them about God and to plant that seed. Sometimes, though, it's hard to do.
One thing is true.... GOD is LOVE.
You should not have to apologize for being disgusted with abominable sin.
The scriptures have no tolerance for it and true christians must not. If non
christians do not like this then they can choose not to access this thread.
I have just joined this forum , mainly to discuss deer hunting. then I noticed with delight there was a Christian forum. But if we cannot speak candidly and in truth my stay will be a short one.
Welcome truegrit- This thread is a result of another that was closed... so there is a background story. I am not apologizing for my beliefs or for being disgusted with this sin, what I was apologizing for was some people on here took my words as hate-speech and I do not hate anyone, so that's what I apologized for. I too thoroughly enjoy the opportunity to witness to people on this site. Trust me, the guys and gals here are good people and they are truly knowledgeable and great to converse with.
So tell me your story... Welcome again, you'll like it here.
I'm from North Central Missouri btw
Salutations tator, and thank you for clarifying your position. I have a bad habit of jumping the gun sometimes. Is it not sad when someone has a strong opinion against modernistic views you are labeled a hatemonger . I had people literally get in my face over the gay marriage ban amendment fiasco my state went thru last year, just for offering my stand on the issue. that being said I will not revisit this issue on this thread.
On to other things, I live and hunt in the north central region of Minnesota . Deer hunting is very good here as well as turkey, ruffed grouse , dove and a few pheasants . This area is the bottom fringe of the timber wolf range, so they are not a factor here unlike just 20 miles north.
This being the christian corner let me say I had placed my entire trust in Christs work upon the cross for me and in his resurrection when I was about thirteen. believe me when I say it is not always easy to walk by faith in a world were traditional values are becoming extinct.
your attitude seems to be better then mine . I see that your writing skills are excellent and you make your points clear to anyone that cares to pay attention.
I was attempting to post a avatar and some hunting photos yesterday, but my broadband modem for my laptop can't get good reception here this time of year. I hope to rectify this soon and make some hunting post.
I salute all the brethren in Christ.
Well welcome officially. Minnesota is a state I would love to visit someday- I have always wanted to go there. The furthest north I have ever been is South Dakota and I loved it there. Went there for a training when I was in the Army.
I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior when I was 11 years old. I remember I had a lot of questions about heaven and about God's love for me. But one thing stuck in my mind and that was the fact that Jesus came to earth, died on the cross for ME and He rose again after 3 days to ascend back to heaven and to someday return to earth to call His people home. I too have not always been the prototypical christian, but I have always known that I was saved. I went through a a rough spell from age 18-24ish... Did a lot of dumb things and tried many behaviors to "fit in" with the crowd. When I met my wife at at 25 I realized, fitting in is not important. A relationship with Christ IS. Now I spend my days not caring what other people think about me and I try to be someone others can rely on. I do not ever want to push my beliefs onto another person, but I am open to discuss any topic. I often get into debates with people, and I try my best to keep them respectable and kind. After all, as Christians, the only thing God wants us to do is plant a seed, He'll do the rest. Sometimes people we talk to are ready to accept and sometimes they are not. And sadly, sometimes they never will. But at least you tried and you planted the seed. I pray daily for everyone on this website- I think there are many of you who do not know this, but I do. I treat this club as sort of a family and I think you, truegrit, will learn quickly that all the guys and gals on there are great to get along with. Yes we have our differences and yes we sometimes have to respectfully disagree, but we always leave feeling good about our time here at DHC.
Stick around, you will grow to love it here and like you, I too enjoy the opportunity of having the Christian Corner to express my views and angles on our society today and my beliefs as a Christian. I too believe not only our country, but our world is heading in the wrong direction. I can say, though, that God is at work. He has not given up on our nation and I do not believe He will. To get our nation back to the way it should be will take one of two things... 1. Christians standing up for what they believe in OR 2. Jesus Himself coming back to earth. Now, both of these excite me, but I have to admit, being alive in this body when Christ comes back to earth would be an experience like NO OTHER!!! How awesome that would be!
Glad to meet you, glad to know you, and have a good night
I'm not sure the spirited debate here ever would find a conclusion. Seems to me a non-believer vs a believer cannot find acceptance in either side's positions regarding certain personal beliefs. Opinions are a personal right, opinions are not a green light for misguided reform attempts. I really don't see the merit in belief bashing as there is nothing to be gained from it. How one conducts his/her life is a liberty granted to us through the constitution. Religion, in any format, is a personal right. I may not like a certain life style, or belief that one has, but it's not my job to attempt to change them into something I may think is better nor would I accept their attempts to change me. I'll let the big guy make his cuts at the end. I know this forum has the potential to create strong personal views, as we have recently seen. So what is it that are we trying to convey? I was concerned when the forum was created and continue to be concerned as personal passions/beliefs can/will generate potentially abusive debate. What I ask for and will moderate is, just keep the debate civil. There will not be any winners or losers so where do we go...........? What is to be gained?
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