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Hellbilly 07-06-2013 09:21 PM

fallin of the wagon
 
been about 2 months since we been to church. tried a few other just not the same without family and friends. Just havnt been digging the preacher. he has no pep. and just keeps saying the same thing over and over. his sermons or so short sometimes were out by 11:45. I have heard he is wanting to go someplace else. wish him luck,but please hurry. We really miss going,but would rather watch a good sermon on tv than be droned to sleep

tator 07-06-2013 11:32 PM

Hellbilly... I want to caution you with all due respect. I'm not trying to tell you what to do or try to talk down to you, but I want to caution you. When my wife and I got married, we moved to a town that was around an hour away from our home town. We went to 2-3 different churches and never felt "at home". While we went through that time, we didn't realize it, but we slowly stopped going regularly. Now that I look back on it, I realize we didn't put any effort into it. We didn't try to establish relationships with anyone and we didn't join any church groups (like sunday school classes, or any other worship services). We now live back in our home town and we regularly go to church and we are very much involved. We sometimes call our church our second family. The thing I have learned is that sometimes you may think you don't "need" to have relationships within your church, but there are people within your church who need you. They need you to be their friend and their "family". It's when you start relying on people in the Lord that you realize you need them too. It's an accountability thing. That's one of the big aspects of going to church that many people don't realize. They think they don't ever have to be "involved" in the church, but the truth is, God wants you to be involved. God wants you to be part of His church family. Not just for YOU, but for the people in the church who may need you in their life.
My point is this,,,, don't get complacent with not going to church. I realize sometimes the pastor and/or the congregation is not what you are looking for, I understand that, but I firmly believe the solution to your problem should not be just not going. I encourage you to find a place of worship and TRY to make it work. The truth is, ALL churches have their flaws,, after all we are human-- even the pastor. The most important thing to keep in mind is to find a church where the pastor preaches the BIBLE, and nothing else.
I grew up with a pastor that, to me, just didn't fit my needs. I didn't "get" his sermons and he was really long-winded. I was bored. It wasn't until I was around 19 or 20 and it started clicking. This man was a BIBLE preaching pastor. He spoke the truth. His sermons DID make sense, it's just that I never gave him the chance. I never gave him my full attention.

Good luck to you and your family. I too go to church with my family and extended family and it would be hard for me as well if they stopped going. I would definately feel tempted to not go as much. BUT then I'd be letting my church family down. This all goes back to the accountability thing I spoke of earlier.

Let me know how this turns out for you all,,, I'll be praying for you and your family

Scorpion8 07-08-2013 10:35 AM

Or, as an alternative, you could question why you feel the need to attend a church or be a member of a church? Are you less of a good person if you don't attend? Do you feel the urge to suddenly become a sinner if you haven't been inside a church?

I have nothing against anyone who goes, or anyone who doesn't. I don't feel the need myself, and haven't in 35+ years. I can find my religion and my gods anywhere, it doesn't have to be inside those 4 walls. And it doesn't make me any less good.

Just a counter-thought.

daddus1 07-08-2013 01:03 PM

My dad says if you fall off the wagon you have two choices. You can lay there and let the enemy have his way with you or you can just get back on the wagon and move on.
daddus

Hunting Man 07-08-2013 07:37 PM

To each their own on this one. I'm not shuttered in by four walls either, however, I do not think less of those who do. God is where you find him and that is good enough for me.

tator 07-09-2013 01:09 AM

Good points scorpion. I see your side. I choose to attend church mainly because it gives me a chance to be in close fellowship and worship with my church family. I don't go to church to satisfy myself, but to worship God. I do agree that worship can take place anywhere and at anytime. But when I don't go to church for any period of time I personally feel empty. The church is God's house. I look at it like this, if I had a close (and I mean really, really close) friend who lived only 5-10 miles away would I constantly just call him/her on the phone, or would I go visit them regularly? I think you know my choice.
As HM said, to each his own. Church is not the only place I go to worship God or to pray. Going to church is one of my many opportunities to express publicly my love for Jesus Christ and God my Father. In my life, I need that. I need to have people around me who hold me accountable for my life and actions. Just as I depend on my family I depend on my church family. I love them just the same. I do have to admit, there is a big difference in going to church and being connected within the church. There are many people in my church who attend but they are not plugged in. That's their choice. Is it right or wrong? I don't know. That's not for me to judge.

I like this conversation... any comments? Just so you all know, I pray *almost* daily for everyone on here. God bless!

tator 07-09-2013 01:13 AM

Also,,, I do not consider my Christianity my religion. I am a Christ follower and He is who I look up to for help in my times of need and praise for all He has done for me.

I only worship one God and that is God the Father. The same God who sent His Son to this earth to die on the cross for my and your sins and then rose again after 3 days.

Other than that-- I absolutely agree with you that worship does not only happen (nor should it only happen) inside those 4 walls.

Hunting Man 07-09-2013 04:49 AM

Well said Tator and I agree with you 100%., I just use an outdoor church, Nature, where God made his greatest gift, and I am closest to him!

spiker 07-09-2013 09:40 AM

First off Tator thanks for the prayers for all of us.I agree to each their own and believe along with Hm that your place of worship can be your own choice.Ive met many phony church goers and many great people who do not attend and also vice versa.I do believe we all need some type of faith and belief to get by.

tator 07-09-2013 10:17 AM

I was never saying that everyone who went to church is a true believer. I too was one of those people who just went through the process because it would disappoint my parents if I didn't go. That was in my younger years. I loved God, but just didn't want to go to church. I know have a better understanding of what church is and why it's important- to me. I'm not trying to force anyone into going to church, and you are all right, just going to church does not do anything. I'm a firm believer that in order to be saved and go to heaven you have to have a close and personal relationship with God. That doesn't just happen one day a week for one hour. :) Much of my worship and "talking with God" time happens outside of church.
Plus, when you involve kids, which I have, I do not solely trust myself to teach them about God and all His work and doings. By going to church I have resources that I would never have if I didn't go.

Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.


Romans 12:5
... so in Christ we who are many form one body, and each member belongs to all the others.


and the best one....
1 Corinthians 12:14-23
Now the body is not made up of one part but of many. If the foot should say, "Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. And if the ear should say, "Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body," it would not for that reason cease to be part of the body. If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? But in fact God has arranged the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. If they were all one part, where would the body be? As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

The eye cannot say to the hand, "I don't need you!" And the head cannot say to the feet, "I don't need you!" On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor.


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