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Old 12-16-2009, 08:31 PM
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Coyotes are a royal pain to ranchers here in Texas. They go after the young calves right after they are born. Working as a pack, they separate mama from baby and then the new calf is totally defenseless.

We try to set traps (smelly stuff and a .12 gauge cartridge) and hope for the best. When we do see one, we have no trouble shooting it and leaving it where it drops. Either the buzzards or other coyotes will take care of the remains.

To me, ethics of shooting vermin like coyotes should never be a question whenever they are a danger to your livelihood. GO FOR IT!
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:48 AM
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Coyotes are like hogs. The only good one is a dead one. Been considering getting in the trapping game for the pelts, but anything that will kill a small dog, cat, calf, or deer is fair game in my book.

If it died in the wild the wood will take care of it. Scavengers are pretty quick about it too.
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:49 AM
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I do agree that it is only ethical to do it quick though. I don't like wounding any animal.
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Old 12-17-2009, 03:43 PM
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I guess I'll get right to the point. If it isn't eaten then it seems that we don't give it (the animal) and respect because its higher on the food chain ? I think that more respect should be given to the landowners by not leaving dead animals to rot or cause desease for there wells and other domestic animals. What are we saying about leaving dead coyotes for others to feed on ? Doesn't this go against the idea of thinning out the population by fattening up the others ? I am a hunter and to tell my young son that "oh well we'll leave it there in the field " just doesn't seem right. All creatures have a purpose including coyotes when kept in check. I just don't get it hunters say words like "coservation, respect, and ethics" I apologize for any previous posts that ruffled any feathers but these standards should either be followed as preached or not at all. I believe in walking the straight line and it seems that most hunters do also. It just that people seem to use these strong words only when it suits there particular game that the are hunting when it should apply to all game that is hunted.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:15 PM
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I guess I'll get right to the point. If it isn't eaten then it seems that we don't give it (the animal) and respect because its higher on the food chain ? I think that more respect should be given to the landowners by not leaving dead animals to rot or cause desease for there wells and other domestic animals. What are we saying about leaving dead coyotes for others to feed on ? Doesn't this go against the idea of thinning out the population by fattening up the others ? I am a hunter and to tell my young son that "oh well we'll leave it there in the field " just doesn't seem right. All creatures have a purpose including coyotes when kept in check. I just don't get it hunters say words like "coservation, respect, and ethics" I apologize for any previous posts that ruffled any feathers but these standards should either be followed as preached or not at all. I believe in walking the straight line and it seems that most hunters do also. It just that people seem to use these strong words only when it suits there particular game that the are hunting when it should apply to all game that is hunted.
the landowners i know tell me to shoot the coyotes. i know a guy that shot 3 coyotes. shot one and left in lay in the woods, came back the next morning and shot another feeding on the first and did the same thing the day after.

as i've said there are many reasons to hunt. one is food, another is management (over/growing population, no natural predators), yet another pest control (as in farmer brown want you to shoot the woodchucks because of his livestock), plus i'm sure there are more.

you said you shoot coyotes what do you do with them? sell the pelts? what is one going for these days?
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:21 PM
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No I do not sel them . This is my problem , I love to hunt them but my son comes with me now and I have always taken the coyotes out of the fields when I shoot them but I bring them about five miles to a F&Groad kill site and dispose of them . I do not like the idea of leaving them for the farmer or other coyotes to prospore from.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:25 PM
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i hear what you are saying, but remember that your are not trying to kill off all the coyote, you are trying to keep them at them at appropreat levels of population. coyote do have a perpouse. coyote are one of natures ways of ending the suffering of week or sickly animals. there for if you fatten up the remaining population you are helping them stay healthy so they can do there job. you can not make a coyote too healthy. you can only let the pack get to big. so i say kill as meny as you want, and if it is ok with the land owner to leave it and you dont want the pelt than there is nothing wrong with leaving it. as for teaching your son. i am in the same position that you are. my son is 7 and i would be madder than all get out if he wanted to kill a deer and just leave it. but would not feel bad explaining the difference to him, because in a way by haling the coyote out of the woods and burrying it you are alowing its meet to go to waist there for in my view it is more ethical to leave it out for the other coyotee to eat. again providing the land owner dose not have a problem with you doing so. sorry if that made no sence but it is how i feel.
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Old 12-17-2009, 04:32 PM
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No I do not sel them . This is my problem , I love to hunt them but my son comes with me now and I have always taken the coyotes out of the fields when I shoot them but I bring them about five miles to a F&Groad kill site and dispose of them . I do not like the idea of leaving them for the farmer or other coyotes to prospore from.
yea we don't have that here that i know of. there are a number of folks that sell the hides and get pretty good $$ for them. this leads into another conundrum, killing animals for $$. woodchucks go back down the hole and the dirt pushed in over them.
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thanks ,thats the best response yet. I'm trying to teach him not onlywhat is correct but politicaly correct if there is such a thing
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:31 AM
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Here Coys are worth more alive than dead. I think they use them to train hunting dogs or something.

Teaching kids is tough. I told my daughter that if there was a Bison season in Arkansas I would love to shot one. you would have thought that i was talking about killing kittens. "They are part of our culture......"
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