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Old 10-30-2009, 03:51 PM
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Hey, guys put a stand up today for the upcoming ml season and did a little power scouting. The area I set up on has some great rubs but I could not find one scrape. Any thoughts on this? should I try and find an area w/scrapes?
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Old 10-30-2009, 04:02 PM
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fresh rubs? if there are a mix of fresh and rubs from years past in a line, down a trail, i'd say you were on a buck travel corridor. not a bad place to be. greg miller has written a couple books about rub lines and how good they are to hunt. now if you find rubs with a couple scrapes in a cluster, not so much along a trail, near some heavy cover that may be a staging area of a buck near his primary bedding. if that cluster is nearer food that could be a staging area to hold while waiting for the cover of darkness to enter the food. does that make any sense?
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:14 PM
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good posting ronn!!!!!
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:20 PM
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Rub lines are the first things I look for when scouting. As ronn said this will give you a travel route. Look for fresh rubs along the travel route, this tells you the rub line is active. Rub lines like these generally will be the same side of the trees which will show you the direction the buck is traveling at least when making the rubs. Next I look at the size of the rubs the bigger the better especially when you can see additional tine marks in the rub indicating more than a spike. I like taller rubs also. Next I look for scrapes hopefully they follow in the same general line as the rub line. I seem to have more luck seeing bucks in the morning than late afternoon times. I have found that rub lines seem to follow normal buck travel routes and can be found in dark timber or in sparce mixed pines and hardwoods. These travel routes can be used year after year by different bucks. I usually set stands for a morning buck and another stand for evening buck's travels. If the rub line follows normal travel routes for does to food sources you have hit the best senerio for rut hunting.
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Old 10-30-2009, 09:31 PM
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Thanks guys sounds like i have a decent spot. There are three trees trashed by a buck and these are not small rubs. Probably three feet off the ground and two feet long on a six inch tree . I already had a stand not twenty five yards from here. Hope to seee him!
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Old 10-31-2009, 07:52 AM
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I think of rubs in different ways, you have to be aware that Bucks make rubs when they are shedding velvet too those type of rubs usually appear as obvious imperfections on the tree/shrub/sapling but they don't show me any sign of an agressive type rubbing. The more aggressive the rub the more the Buck is saying on that rub whether it's a rub meant for Doe's or for other Bucks in the area, they all say something to the other deer.
When you begin to notice rubs, that's the time when you can tell where a Buck is traveling from, which direction he is heading in and depending on the area of the rub It can almost tell why he rubbed that area. one example would be a rub on the edge of a field, that to me would onle mean that he's marked his territory that's his travel corridor, a rub on the dge of a field will be seen by all deer, it doesn't mean that's where he wants to breed and it isn't warning off all other bucks because they all use the same fields, nope that type is just an indicator of territory.
A Buck makes rubs for 3 main reasons, to remove velvet, To warn other bucks away from his area and to Let Doe's know where he is and where "HE" thinks it's safe to breed.
I used to be fooled into thinking the bigger the rub the bigger the buck, That's not true in the least. I seen a Huge 8 pointer attack a 1/2 inch sappling and I saw a Spikehorn rubbing a 4" oak tree, rubbing it like he was a 14 pointer. Don't let the tree size of tree fool you into thinking you can tell the deers size because it can't. If you study every rub you see you'll begin to see things in the rubs that offer signs on the buck that did it like a Brow tine gouge, or a Rub that also had a nearby shrub that was getting damaged, that's a width type indicator, the height of the rub,,, all those things provide valuable information about the deer that made those rubs.
I focus heavily on rubs, as soon as I begin seeing a line of Rubs, that's when I start watching that area most heavily, also keep in mind a single Buck will usually use the same tree sizes when he makes a rub, if he uses 2 inch trees then most of his rubs will be on 2 inch size trees,,, that's another way to distinguish the difference between one bucks rubs and the others.
I check certain rubs every day until I can determine which ones are being freshened. here's an example, If I locate 6 rubs in a line I'll check all 6 each day for about 5 to 6 days or until I can determine which one's he's freshening daily. the 1st Rub in the line may be a territory marker, those dont get freshened OR it may be the area he feels safe to Breed in, that type will be freshened daily. Even though the Buck thinks those areas are safe to breed in it isn't his choice to decide, it's the Doe's that determine where the breeding occurs which usually isn't too far off from the Bucks intended area,,, but the Bucks rubbing efforts work to keep the other bucks at bay while he performs his Buck Duties.

I hope this helps. Good Luck to you...
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