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Old 10-28-2008, 10:16 PM
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The individual right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the Constitution. While Barack Obama pretends to respect the Second Amendment, his record demonstrates that his claim is no more credible than a wifebeater's claim that he respects his wife.

Economist and gun control researcher Dr. John Lott recalled his first encounter with Obama. After introducing himself to Obama, "Obama said 'Oh, you are the gun guy.' I responded 'Yes, I guess so.' He simply responded that 'I don't believe that people should be able to own guns.'

'When I said it might be fun to talk about the question sometime and about his support of the city of Chicago's lawsuit against the gun makers, he simply grimaced and turned away, ending the conversation.'" [1].

Rich Pearson, who, "[f]or the past 15 years, . . . served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the Illinois State Rifle Association" wrote:

"I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

"Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture. While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month." [2]

Obama supports numerous oppressive gun control measures. In April, an article in the nonpartisan website The Politico noted that "[Obama], as an Illinois state legislator and a U.S. senator, he consistently backed gun control legislation. . . . Obama has long backed gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic weapons and concealed weapons, and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month." [3]

Obama also voted for legislation which would have banned the sale of almost all centerfire rifle ammunition, because such ammunition is designed to propel a bullet at a velocity which happens to be sufficient not only to kill game, but also to penetrate the lowest level of police body armor. [4].

The Obama strategy is similar to that of the repetitive wife abuser who seeks to recouncile with his wife after beating her. Flowers, candy and loving words are poured out by the abuser on his victim. The message is: "Pay attention only to what I say and ignore what I have done." Unfortunately, another beating will be administered in the future. As The Politico article notes, the Obama campaign's position statement on gun control parrots respect for the Second Amendment (while claiming "the right is subject to [supposedly] reasonable and common sense regulation"), but is silent on Obama's voting record. [5].

Should gunowners trust Obama? Only if they want to receive a beating.

NOTES:

1. See Obama and Guns: Two Different Views. FOXNews.com - Obama and Guns: Two Different Views - Opinion.

2. Pearson, Rich, An Open Letter to the Nations Hunters and Sportsmen. Home

3. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. Obama aims for pro-gun vote - Politico.com Print View.

4. See Ben Smith's Blog: Obama seeks to take down NRA ad - Politico.com Note: Click on "continue reading Obama seeks to take down NRA ad".

5. See Obama Aims for Pro-Gun Vote. Obama aims for pro-gun vote - Politico.com Print View. Note: Another impartial source on Obama's position on gun control is: Barack Obama on Gun Control (" If there was any issue on which Obama rarely deviated, it was gun control. He was the most strident candidate when it came to enforcing and expanding gun control laws.").

P.S. I often get the response that "Obama will not take our guns away."
I am an attorney. You have to be aware that it is not as simple as "taking our guns away" all at once. Chief Justice Marshall, the first chief justice of the United States Supreme Court once wrote that "the power to tax is the power to destroy." He could just as truthfully have written that "the power to regulate is the power to destroy."

Obama and his Democratic cohorts can make life miserable for gun owners without banning a single gun or taking one gun from a private owner. They can do it through legislation or through administrative rules from the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Division. Shouldn't gun owers pay for all that gun crime? How about a 500% tax increase on ammunition, as Obama supported in the past?[1] What about a $50.00 or $100.00 annual fee for every gun owned?

How about tightening up on those nasty gun dealers, i.e. if they don't do $100000 or $250000 of business a year, or if any of the guns sold by them has ever been used to commit any kind of crime, they don't qualify to continue their license. Just use your imagination. How about an arsenal license at say, oh $1000 a pop for everyone who owns over 5 guns? How about a nationwide ban on firearms dealers within 5 miles of a school or park, as Obama supported in 1999.[2] Do you get the picture? It's not "taking your guns", it's the death of a thousand cuts. It's all "reasonable","common sense" regulation. It's for the children!

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1. http://volokh.com/archives/arc.....1203389334

2. Id.
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Old 10-30-2008, 06:57 AM
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Old 10-30-2008, 07:13 AM
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This is a scary thing considering its looking like Obama is going to be are next president.
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Old 11-08-2008, 03:40 AM
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Gun sales have soared since Tuesday.
Here's 3 reason why it might have. You decide.
Hunting Season
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Obama is president elect
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:32 PM
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Obama is trying to eliminate guns...oh yea the Semi-automatic types. (The very same guns that are use in gangs)

You will still be able to keep and use your rifles, shotguns, pistols...ect ..the very same guns that you use for hunting.
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Old 11-11-2008, 05:50 AM
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Obama is trying to eliminate guns...oh yea the Semi-automatic types. (The very same guns that are use in gangs)

You will still be able to keep and use your rifles, shotguns, pistols...ect ..the very same guns that you use for hunting.
=== You need to take a closer look at his record. Obviously he mislead you too.

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Old 11-11-2008, 06:11 AM
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Protect your rights, join the NRA
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Old 11-11-2008, 10:30 AM
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Definatley! +1 +1

Both of my parents joined the NRA on the 5th. I told them that they were a little late, but hey better late than never!
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Obama is trying to eliminate guns...oh yea the Semi-automatic types. (The very same guns that are use in gangs)

You will still be able to keep and use your rifles, shotguns, pistols...ect ..the very same guns that you use for hunting.
+ you dont have a clue.many hunting guns are semi auto..like a ruger 10/22.shotguns etc.please dont talk about things you dont have any knowledge about.go back to your obama rally
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:28 PM
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thats one of the biggest problems with the banning idea. Those morons that want the bans have no idea what they are banning along with the whole constitutional thing. that and the woefully incorrect notion that banning guns will stop criminals from getting them. pot is illegal and there is a lot of those folks around. look at the attempt to ban booze. What happened? the criminals and the Kennedys prospered. I find it hard to believe that there are twice as many non gun owners as there are gun owners or maybe i just can't believe there are that many idiots in this country that think everything is going to be butterflies and rainbows if they get this fool in office. if i offended any people that voted for this socialist guy we now have as a president....good and i don't care.
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