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post #11 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-11-2008, 06:24 PM
 
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thats one of the biggest problems with the banning idea. Those morons that want the bans have no idea what they are banning along with the whole constitutional thing. that and the woefully incorrect notion that banning guns will stop criminals from getting them. pot is illegal and there is a lot of those folks around. look at the attempt to ban booze. What happened? the criminals and the Kennedys prospered. I find it hard to believe that there are twice as many non gun owners as there are gun owners or maybe i just can't believe there are that many idiots in this country that think everything is going to be butterflies and rainbows if they get this fool in office. if i offended any people that voted for this socialist guy we now have as a president....good and i don't care.

Very Well Said and I Endorse Ronn's message.

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post #12 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-11-2008, 07:05 PM
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I agree!! Obama has no idea what he is banning!!! not only is he taking our guns but hes taking away our traditions, heritage, and hunting privlages for generations to come!!!!!!!! i think if obama had grew up hunting like many of yall did and like i am now he would be a completely different different person.

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post #13 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-11-2008, 07:19 PM
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If he had, he'd realize that he doesn't need to create a Utopia through legislation or executive privilege because we are in it, if you look for it in the right places. The woods and personal freedoms being a couple places to start the search.
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Darn it Ronn, You make me proud to be your friend. And here I was being nicer. LOL

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Maybe he sees it as a free life insurance policy with all the threats he has recieved. Either way, him or nobody else will get mine. I will always use hunting as a source of food on the table and if all others will join the NRA and other gun owner organization we will always have a voice.
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post #16 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-28-2008, 04:30 PM
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I think a lot of people need to chill on the rhetoric and pay more attention to the specifics.

I have owned firearms for personal protection and hunting since I first became involved in law enforcement more than 25 years ago. I spent a lot of time delving into Obama's stance on guns and what others have said about it.

Obama's stance on gun control is not what has been depicted by the NRA. Yes, he does want to impose restrictions on the types of weapons that can be legally owned, but none of his proposals address any traditional guns used for hunting.

Before Heller was decided he thought that jurisdictions, be they city or state or a federal district, could ban ownership of certain types of traditional firearms, but he has since made it clear that he accepts the Heller decision.

Yes, there will be a political fight over the "assault weapon" issue. And it is a fight worth fighting in the political and legal arena. But Obama won't be trying to limit ownership of most of the firearms the average gun owner possesses. So no need to run to the bunkers.

If Obama's position on the "assualt weapon" issue is going to be defeated then we need to focus on the specifics, rather than spreading hysteria. I heard some guy in Dick's today claiming Obama wanted to ban buckshot. That's a bunch of BS and deteracts from the issues that are real.

Stay informed and stay in contact with your congressional reps. But donít go overstating the matter. No one takes a chicken little screaming the sky is falling very seriously.

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post #17 of 49 (permalink) Old 11-28-2008, 04:47 PM
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Once the door is open it will never stop. I do believe you need to dig deeper past the fertilizer that his campaign is spreading. Most of what he is saying now is fog from bad breath.
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wmi, you and I are the same page on this one, watch out America! He is filling his cabinet with Clinton people the most anti gun politions in America's history.
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thats the same tripe the dems were squawking two years ago before they took over "don't worry we don't what to take your guns". bull!.... what happened ? HR1022, look it up I have, to reinstate the assault weapons band along with even more restrictions. the ruger 1022 would have been banded under the proposal. fortunately it die in committee because they figured going after guns then would hurt their chances in 08. so whats in store now that there is nothing stopping them. anyone in favor of banning any type firearm is a fool for thinking its going to solve the crime problem. a firearm is a tool like a skill saw or any other tool. the way in which it is used by those that under the law shouldn't have it to begin with is the problem.

the guy's voting record is clear regardless of what he says he will or won't do. hes a politician which means he'll say whatever he needs to in order to get votes. i think he did vote against buckshot in Il because i pretty sure its illegal there for deer hunting. lets pull up all the votes in favor of the gun owner, thats all guns, and his votes against and see which is list is longer. I think maybe you need to check his record in IL, cause there hasn't been much in washington for him to vote on even if he had been there to vote.

The man hasn't seen bitter, wait till a bill comes across his desk to ban 10 round mags or bigger or rifles with pistol grips or flash suppressors. bitter won't be the right word then. and guaranteed he will sign any bill that bans any and all guns. or he'll sign that same world agreement that Australia did that resulted in the lost of their firearms.

Your words are like the words a guy at my local gun shop, owned by a retired police chief, was spouting all over the place and how great it was that Obama got elected. He was told what he could do with the front stuffer he had in hand and asked to leave the store in no uncertain terms. one of my favorite stores. if it wasn't before it is now.

You sound like one of those cops, and I've met quite a few, that think because they are cops, they know more about guns how to shoot them and who should have them solely because your a cop. I have a lot of police officers as friends and have found that they,most of them, know less and can't shot as well as most of the guys that have been hunting and shooting from the age of 5,6,7. So bringing your service in public protection, which is commendable me being pro cop, carries little to no weight here with me.

sorry guys that just got me more than a little hot. defending Obama on gun control what a joke.

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You sound like one of those cops, and I've met quite a few, that think because they are cops, they know more about guns how to shoot them and who should have them solely because your a cop. I have a lot of police officers as friends and have found that they,most of them, know less and can't shot as well as most of the guys that have been hunting and shooting from the age of 5,6,7. So bringing your service in public protection, which is commendable me being pro cop, carries little to no weight here with me.

sorry guys that just got me more than a little hot. defending Obama on gun control what a joke.
I have no problem being depicted as a "cop." My position in law enforcement required both a law degree and national security clearance.

We had a saying in the academy: "any retard can be trained to hit a target, the tough part is knowing when and what to fire at."

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. Thankfully a majority of Americans did otherwise in November.
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