Finally got the new cedar arrows, very nice. They shoot straight and fairly fast from the recurve. Just finished bidding on a couple of older recurves and have 1 more in the morning to try for. These are mostly 45# @ 28" draw Bear black panther, grizzly, Shakesphere, Ben Person, ect. I'm trying to help the back muscles improve and then strengthen everything for the compound hunting. Also, its a blast to shoot these things in the back yard and they're fairly inexpensive if you watch what you're doing. You should see the son taking an interest in the old style!