yeah joel I am going to have to try the ham again. I need to work on my rub and get my smoking time in check. It was edible after I did some doctoring but it was not great by any means. I wrapped it in bacon and I think doing that allowed to much rub to get into the meat. It was over fruity tasting. Did not taste a bit like venison. And had zero smoke flavor. It looked good though. I took it off, removed the bacon and majority of rub, added a brown sugar and maple syrup topping and smoked it upwrapped for about another hour. That made it better.