Originally Posted by hunt NH
All right i have been avoiding posting in this thread for a wile, because A) i have mixed feelings about this, and B) my political view on this is way diferent than you might think. now i feel i must post because i dont think we are behaving like real conservatives on this one. So hear are my stand points on this one.
I absolutely hate Obama. anything he does i think is intentionally trying the tear this country apart. The thought of to guys, or two women have sex with each other sickens me. sex is meant to between a man and a women. I do not want to see it in public or have it flaunted in my face. I know for a fact that Homosexuality is a sin. That these people engaging in this behavior WILL answer to God on there day of judgment for these sins.
All that being said, We live in a free country. how is it any of the governments business what happens in our, or there bed rooms? I see you guys saying that making it legal will "make it ok". iv got some bad news for you guys, society already says its ok. I remember having to sit though "celebrate diversity day" in high school. and the only things they were celebrating were homosexuality. (and this was over 10 years ago.) And it is already law that we can not discriminate against them in the work place. so ya its already "ok". Given that we can not change the fact that they are gay, and living in sin. Which would you rather, that homosexuals behave like a married couple, and show the limited display of public affection that most husbands and wifes do in public. (keeping ther business behind closed doors.) Or would you rather they run around acting like horny teenagers, making out all over the place in public the way dating teens do?
Then take in to consideration, that by us asking the government to make laws preventing someone from living there life's the way they see fit based of our beliefs makes us no better than the liberals who want our guns taken away because they feel that guns are evil. This is not the constitutional govt our forefathers envisioned. telling us how to live our life's is not the governments roll. as a matter of fact, one of the first lines in the declaration of independence is..... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Do you guys think that you would be free to pursuit happiness if someone had the government tell you, that you could not be married to your wife's based of there belief system?
All this being said we dont need laws outlawing gay marriage. we need a society free to say that "we are not going to outlaw it, but keep it to yourself, i dont want to see that crap."
In response to your post huntnh... I agree with many of the things you said, but I think some of it is either incorrect or mistaken. Let me first make sure you know I'm only typing this out of respect for you, so please don't take offense.
First off, I have to agree with you about disliking Obama. You hit the nail on the head with all the things you said about him, and he is only supporting "gay marriage" for the votes- plain and simple. I believe he truely has a BAD PLAN for America in the next 4 years and I believe most Americans are stupid enough to vote for him a second time.
Secondly, you stated: "This is not the constitutional govt our forefathers envisioned"
I also agree with this 100% especially morally. They would NEVER have thought that this "lifestyle" would be something that would become close to being accepted by MANY Americans. In fact, I think they would be appalled by it.
Thirdly, I never said anything about "outlawing" gay marriage... but we sure as heck don't have to make it a huge ordeal where our LEADER is making and saying that it should be legal.
I'm sorry I have a moral delima going on in my head,,, I get what you are saying but my beliefs as a Christian tell me that when society is given TOO much freedom (in this sense open gay marriages) they are going to abuse it. Now, don't get me wrong, I love living in a free nation, but I don't get to go around free loading off people and not having a job everyday of my life either. (AND SOME PEOPLE DO). They take advantage of the system. What I'm saying in this... and this is hard to explain, but there would be so many gay people all over this nation that would have NEVER been gay in the first place. I personally believe this is a pressured lifestyle on especially young people. If it's "accepted" they are more apt to trying it and then living a life in sin. This is NOT something you are born with or the way God made you. God did NOT make anyone gay. God did not MAKE ANYONE GAY. Therefore, as a nation, I BELIEVE we are all going to have to answer to God someday about how we allowed this to go on in our nation. This type of lifestyle is forbidden in the Bible and I can reassure you GOD does not want this issue to be brushed under the carpet and for people to just "do it in their houses". What Obama has done is Satan's work. This is Satan at work on our nation and God knows it. Gay and lesbian lifestyles are not engrained in our minds or bodies, they are LEARNED. If our entire country accepts it because our Government says "HEY IT's OK" we are going to have a HUGE problem on our hands. Trust me... maybe not next year or the year after or after that,, but what happens when Obama IS out of office and the next Republican comes in and abolishes gay and lesbian marriages? What then? What is that going to do for our country? All because we sat back and ignored it. "I'd rather them do it behind closed doors because they are free-Americans" -- well they are doing it behind closed doors and it's not just Adam and Steve doing it,,,, they are effecting EVERY young person that comes into that home or into that family.
We are talking about Morals here. I realize America is the home of the FREE, but comon' people. This will get abused. HUNTNH,,, I agree with most of what you are saying, but sitting back and taking the backseat to this problem will NOT help it, it will ignite it.
Now, on a personal note.... I live in Missouri. I know there are gay and lesbian people out there in this state- i'm not stupid. But I live in rural America and small-town America. What happens when this lifestyle is allowed here? What happens when this lifestyle is accepted by our youth here? Excuse me for saying this, but on the east and west coasts you all see more of this lifestyle than anyone. It's true, I didn't make it that way, but that's they way it is. Heck you can't go 2 minutes in California without seeing two dudes or chicks kissing or gropping each other. But let me tell you this out of confidence GAY AND LESBIAN LIFESTYLE IS NOT ACCEPTED BY THE MAJORITY OF OUR SOCIETY HERE IN MISSOURI.
Brushing this under the rug is not something I want to do and it's not the way I want to teach my children how to stand up for something they believe in morally and religiously.