Sorry Volhunter, I did not see your last post. Contact Daryl Ratascak(sp) at TWRA headquarters it is pronounced ratajack. 1-800-624-7406. He scored both of them. I know one of the hunters and that deer was killed in Cheatham Co. I am not positive on the other, may have been Williamson. Both could score either way but topped the 180's non-typ and went in the mid 60's typ.