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post #8 of (permalink) Old 11-19-2011, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by hunt NH View Post
about a 1/2 hr before sun set a somewhat small buck started to enter the clearing. not 3 steps into the clearing for no aparent reason he turned around and took off just as fast as he could get out of there. the more i thought about it the more i felt that it was the buck urine i had used. he probably did not want any part of that "domanant buck".
I have thought about this too huntnh. The bad thing is, most hunting companies products are geared towards "dominant bucks". What they are assuming is that your property that you hunt has more than one dominant buck in the area. Now, if you hunt and have control of 500+ acres, this may be true. In my case, I hunt abotu 250acres and if there is a dominant buck in the area and I know it, why do I want to use a product that could show more dominance than he is? That's what I've always worried. Plus, what if that "dominant buck" is a 170inch monster (just saying) and his urine in a bottle scares off a 150incher that I would've loved to have? Bucks can tell size and dominance by urine, rubs and scrapes. That's why they do it, it's their calling card. I totally get what you're saying... I'm like you though, I'm not going to risk using that dominant buck urine because of the drawlbacks it could have.

btw... I'm 6'3" and 280lbs.... lol

Originally Posted by BruceBruce1959 View Post
I do think the urine is deposited in scrapes more for the Doe's to examine and monitor.
I agree that this is the intention of the buck urinating, but other bucks will visit that scrape and know who has been there.

Originally Posted by BruceBruce1959 View Post
I've seen small buck scrapes and i've seen trophy buck scrapes but it isnt the Buck that decides who gets the Doe's anyway,

Originally Posted by BruceBruce1959 View Post
The Doe's are the ones that choose which buck is going to breed them and they even choose where it's going to take place, keep in mind the bucks genetics are what the doe's are after, they have the ability to determine which Buck is good enough for her offspring even if that means a young 1 & 1/2 year old buck carrying great genetics.
I don't completely agree with you on this BB. Yes, the does get to choose the buck, the place, the time and the mood (LOL) BUT- I think they want the dominant buck to breed them. I don't believe they can tell the genetics of a buck. They can visually see it's a good genetic buck when they see how old and mature he is. Therefore, they want to be breed by that mature, dominant buck. Thus why we all see does being chased by young 6's, 7's and 8point bucks.
NOW, if there are no mature, dominant bucks in the area (the does will know this by the scrapes) and they will be more receptive towards younger bucks b/c there aren't any big boys around.

Originally Posted by BruceBruce1959 View Post
I think All bucks breed during the rut but I also think what takes place over time is the older wiser Good Gene Bucks are most likely what the mature Doe's are seeking and I'm glad it happens that way .
I don't think buttons breed. But all other bucks, yes, I agree with you.

Originally Posted by BruceBruce1959 View Post
even those Doe's know the old bucks have the ability to Get R done while the young bucks are still trying to figure just what it is they are doing
haha! that's the truth... love seeing young bucks "trying" to make things happen!

James 1:2-8

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