Muley, sorry for the confusion, Rogo got me going, which doesn't happen too often. Rogo, I'm really glad that you chose to remain an active participant here. I'm not a bench shooter but mostly a hunter/collector/shooter in that order so shooting 100 rounds a day doesn't interest me. As far a getting the most out of my Triumph, 1" groups @100yds without a fancy rest does me just fine! This is what I'd expect from any TC product. As far as TC quality vs CVA don't kid yourself. If you truly read my past posts you'd know I own several ml rifles of various makes including a CVA. The problem is you simply wanted to argue instead of debate or discuss! Whenever you wish to converse in a polite, informative manner I'm ready. One thing I won't take is abuse, that's a promise.