100% agree karl.luhr. but the 338 win is the rifle i wanted to hunt with and its only and issue at the bench. heck it only weighs 8.5 pounds so percieved recoil is exspected. shooting a 235gr, i think it is, vital-shok.

the 22 shooting is a real good suggestion. as part of the job i'm on, they want the red squirrels gone. so the 22 is always ready to go. i'm at the point of, "this one will be a neck shot" or literally "right between the eyes" granted its only 25, 30 yards but its still a small target. getting pretty good at calling the shot with the 10-22. getting real hard to find any of the little red devils. i must be up to near 40 dead at this place.