BB, this is one area you and I will dissagree. TC makes far and above the best muzzleloading products period. Knight rifles I thought ran a very close second followed by the rest in a decending order. Just like most things in life you generally get what you pay for. With that said, all of them will shoot. Take a look on line and see which ones hold their value better, a sign of high quality. I do get to make comparisions as I've owned several CVA, Lyman, TC muzzleloaders. I'm not bashing any makes, but you'd be hard pressed to make me a believer that TC is not #1. Spend your money wisely the first time and you'll be happy you did.