Thanks for the info. The whole piece of property is only maybe 100yards or so wide by 100 yards. I know of a good trail coming across the gravel road and going in to this area. How far off the gravel road should I be? Should i look for a area where a couple of trails meet or cross? What about a decoy or rattling and grunting? My biggeset fear is that I am going to get into this area too far and blow it. I think if I can be about 1/2 way into it and try grunting or rattling I might be able to bring him out for me. Again any real suggestions will help. Thanks.