The older men in our club clean the deer about 50 yards from our camp. At night you can here them very good. it sounds like they are in camp. My buddy Bernie and I decided to walk up the dried up creek bed, we came up to a clearing that had alot of bones. Along the creek bed you can see where their dens. Keep in mind all of this is no more than 75 yards from camp. One day me and my wifes cousin was hunting and it was getting dark so I got down out of my tri-pod and started to walk to him you could here them closing in on us thst sucks. On Thanksgiving day last year I shot a red one it must have been 75 lbs. But I have never been hunting for them.