wow im suprized to hear all of this. i love taurus. i have personaly owned the model 66. my current personal defence weppon is a model 85UL 38 spc. and i trust it with my life. and 357 mag, not enuff. granted i dont live in Grizzaly countery but i bet with a quality 180 grain would knock any bear on its.... my bro inlaw still carrys my old model 66 when he is bow hunting. i now carry a ruger super red hawk 44 mag.