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well you can see how wmi made out. i didn't do as well. i passed on a 140ish tall 8 with a sticker off the back that would have dressed out well over 200 lbs. he just looked to be a little small and 3.5 years. he certainly would have met the outfitters minimum. man they got the deer there and big ones. no scratch that, giant ones. what the head guide has in his game room will make pee yourself and half the mounts were elsewhere. somewhere around 40 mounts. he's shot 2 over 200" and the rest are close behind. save your money up and make the trip. oh and leave your preconceptions about deer at the door. this outfitter works very hard to keep the deer from ever knowing you were on the property so the deer move any time of day.