Here's the new plan, ETD puts out a notice which ever grandpa you shoot the biggest buck with will receive ......... you fill in the blank. Make it special to really put the pressure on. Or, maybe a good sit down face to face meeting with grandpa telling him how special it would make you feel by alowing you to hunt his property. You know one of those grampa/grandaughter things moments. You go into the meeting not backing down till he says ok. You can do it! You might drop the remark about, "you know about that 8pt I shot with grampa"..... He will give in, ETD use the force! Don't let him turn to the dark side.